If there was another EU referendum Part 2

who didn't expect them to be long drawn-out and full of stumbling blocks?
- the leaders of the leave campaign

I don't recall the Leave campaign (the bits I saw) ever saying extricating ourselves from the EU would be simple and without problems.

Perhaps you can direct me to that bit of optimistic certainty?

I for one certainly didn't see it, nor would I have believed it if what you state is true.

But of course you like most Remainers have a supercilious notion that all those who voted Leave are without brain cells and unable to think for themselves, don't you?

Only to children crystalltipps.

Varian normally one would compare the whole of Devon to the whole of Devon, Not Chegworth in West Devon to the whole of Devon. Now had they compared Chegworth in West Devon in 2016 to Chegworth West Devon in 2018 that might look more like Apples and Apples.

Which evidence have you looked for Varian to support your claim of a "big mistake", made by the leave voter.

Day6 well put!

Day 6 Here’s one
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40667879/eu-trade-deal-easiest-in-human-history

allygran well you said it

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40667879/eu-trade-deal-easiest-in-human-history

He also said in the same sentence : "The only reason we wouldn't come to a free and open agreement is because politics gets in the way of economics," Dr Fox told the Today programme.
•20 Jul 2017

But he didn’t say that before the referendum when he said it will all be done and dusted in an afternoon,

Where is that quote from crystaltipps? Did you really, really believe that that could if said possibly be a genuine remark, or maybe tongue in cheek! Taking everything literally is often unwise.

www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/nobody-said-it-was-easy?utm_term=.qp1jMwnbA#.wqeOmDM6n
A few more

crystaltipps

But he didn’t say that before the referendum when he said it will all be done and dusted in an afternoon

And YOU believed that?

Like Allygran says, tongue-in-cheek comments are fairly easy to discern, if indeed Dr Fox said that.

Next you'll be accusing Leavers of believing that Brexit negotiations should have only taken an afternoon's discussion.

Of course I didn’t believe the leave campaign! But some people did.!

And the qualifiers to all those dubious quotes (compiled by a Remainer no doubt) are the words 'should' and could'.

Unless you disagree that the road to freedom from the EU has been strewn with wealthy people going to court to try to stop it, rich businessmen throwing their toys out of the pram, followed by empty threats, Remain politicians doing their utmost to thwart the process and place conditions on any deal, the Lords decreeing how it should be done and placing restrictions on progression, as well as biased Remain publications/media fanning the flames since the day of the referendum and doing their utmost to get a second referendum....

Remainers haven't been able to accept the decision of the referendum and the ensuing protest has hampered the UK's bargaining power. It's almost traitorous imo that Remainers would like to see Brussels get the better of us.

Bravo Day6, my sentiments exactly!

crystaltipps, who believed it? This statement that "some people did" believe that Brexit could be done and dusted in an afternoon just cannot be substantiated. It is just what you think.

Exclusive data provided by Google reveals that between the 23 and the 29 of July Chagford searched for Brexit more than any other UK community.

West Devon - the constituency in which Chagford is situated in - voted to leave the EU in the Brexit Referendum in June 2016.

A strong majority of 54% voted to leave, equating to 48,000 votes. However, in stark contrast a major survey carried out by Devon Live in April found that 15% of leave voters in Devon would change their decision in a new referendum.

www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/one-place-been-googling-brexit-1847882?_ga=2.105768838.42283280.1533821632-1837077369.1533821632#

I am posting this again as it has been misinterpreted by a prolific leave poster.

To be clear the point about Chagford (in West Devon) was the amount of googling the term "brexit", in other words, people there want to know more.

The piece then compares the 2016 % vote for leave in West Devon with the situation in 2018 in West Devon, showing 15% of 2016 leave voters would now support Remain. It is comparing like with like. You should not even need a GCSE in statistics to understand that.

I’d never heard of Chagford until you brought it up varian. A very pretty little place by the looks of it, a nice place to go on holiday. Couldn’t afford to live there though, it looks like a retirement place for rich Londoners.

At present the Country does not trust @labour, Teresa May is leading us into a crisis and spiral downturn. There is an option which all sensible politicians should now consider and that is forming a National Gov & having a Peoples vote.
It is obvious from the latest polls in tadsys papers the Country no longer desires the type of Brexit being considered.
Let’s bring some common sense into the Brexit equation instead of sheer bias and bigotry.

It is not just in Devon that Leave voters would now vote Remain.

"A new constituency-by-constituency model by data scientists at Focaldata, which uses new YouGov polling, has found that 14 Welsh constituencies swung from Leave to Remain this year, putting Wales firmly in the pro-EU camp.

One of the biggest shifts was in Swansea, a solidly Labour city which saw a near-13% swing to Remain in its deprived east. This would give EU supporters 51% in the Swansea East constituency, which voted 62% for Brexit in 2016, and deliver a Remain vote of 56% across both the city’s constituencies."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/brexit-swansea-leave-voting-turns-against-brexit-remain

I find it incredible that the extremists in the must Leave camp,, cannot accept that millions of us have changed our minds since the referendum.
I feel that I was duped by the fake news and propaganda, if I was a fool falling for the deceit then I put my hands up.
We now know more of the true facts around Brexit and that’s why I support a People Vote . I also desire my granddaughter who is now 18 to have a say in her future. I just wish that all the expats could use their vote. If they can do it at a GE there can be no justification to stop them having a say on whether we should leave the EU,

Millions across the country have now changed their mind about Brexit according to today’s polling.
They think it better to admit to changing your mind than to accept the disastrous consequences for future generations of Brexit.
I know three Brexit voters in my family have regretted their vote. Let’s hope there is a People’s Vote.

This is about Swansea changing its mind.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/brexit-swansea-leave-voting-turns-against-brexit-remain?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Sorry varian I see you’ve already posted that link.

I really could never understand why Wales voted to Leave when they have been so heavily subsidised by the EU over the years. And they complained in 2016 about immigrants but have very few there.

Don't apologise, mostlyharmless these surveys need to be publicised as much as possible. I agree with you about Wales voting Leave, the same thing applied in Cornwall and the NE of England, regions who had many advantages from EU membership and stood to lose a great deal.

Perhaps they are all now beginning to realise that, as Arron Banks has admitted they were "led up the garden path".

I think they are seduced by the argument that the money they received was 'our' money anyway as it came from our contribution to the EU. This being so, if we retained all of our contribution more money would be available to help the regions, the NHS etc.

I can't help feeling that had we not been paying into the EU the regions wouldn't have received anything at all.

And of course, deliberately winding down the NHS ready for further privatisation is tory policy, so not being in the EU would have had no effect on its current state.

Just my opinions, of course.

Varian this is what you said in your original post:
Original Post
varian Thu 09-Aug-18 14:38:40
Exclusive data provided by Google reveals that between the 23 and the 29 of July Chagford searched for Brexit more than any other UK community*. *West Devon - the constituency in which Chagford is situated in - voted to leave the EU in the Brexit Referendum in June 2016.

A strong majority of 54% voted to leave, equating to 48,000 votes.

I take it that this is in West Devon.
You then say:

However, in stark contrast a major survey carried out by Devon Live in April found that 15% of leave voters in Devon would change their decision in a new referendum.

I take it that this was a County wide survey meaning the whole of Devon?

www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/one-place-been-googling-brexit-1847882?ga=2.105768838.42283280.1533821632-1837077369.1533821632#

You then draw the conclusion in your original post that Chagford by googling Brexit more than anywhere else in the UK, must equate to the opinion of all leave voter. Which is a bit of a leap Varian, here is what you said in your original post:
It seems that the more leave voters actually learn about brexit, the more likely they are to now support remaining in the EU.

Your 'clarification" post then attempts to fudge the issue and say's:

To be clear the point about Chagford (in West Devon) was the amount of googling the term "brexit", in other words, people there want to know more

This is about Chagford in as you say West Devon.

You then clarify:
The piece then compares the 2016 % vote for leave in West Devon with the situation in 2018 in West Devon, showing 15% of 2016 leave voters would now support Remain

This is comparing apples with apples. But this is not what you said in your first post, when you said:
However, in stark contrast a major survey carried out by Devon Live in April found that 15% of leave voters in Devon would change their decision in a new referendum.

There is no mention of West Devon here, you are talking about the whole County of Devon.

You then add, referring your remark to me:
You should not even need a GCSE in statistics to understand that

You are of course correct!

There is an old saying that seems appropriate here Varian Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.