Corbyn / BBC declare social class of employees?

Corbyn is sure he will win the next election, his government will want a state run everything, after today’s press coverage of another of his speeches he will certainly want to control the press. Big Brother awaits us.

Heaven forbid Annie a frightening prospect.

The country is in turmoil over Brexit gilly, he talks about class and first on his list is the Beeb , all the usual which stirs up young activists

So a maths teacher and an engineer are a "privileged" back ground now are they?
I am amused at the 'spin' you attempt to put on JC's background trisher. Nowadays no, a maths teacher and an engineer may not be considered 'privileged' but you appear to have disregarded the fact that Mrs Corbyn Snr came from a wealthy background and they were what the rest of us of that era would have considered 'priviliged'. Very few women in the 1930s went to university.

Mrs Corbyn Snr taught chemistry not maths. I know that for a fact, despite what the msm says.

As for Jeremy himself, no his 'A' results were not sufficient to get him into university. He gained a place at a polytechnic but did not complete the course; he went into the trade union movement instead.

luzdoh
They would be among our cleverest graduates, even in the infants' class.
Interesting concept. However, some of the very best 'infant' teachers I knew did not even have a degree - they completed a Teaching Certificate and were excellent teachers.
I have another friend who got a low degree (due to ill health) but became one of the best senior schools teachers my DC came across.

Some of the cleverest people are not able to communicate their subject well and cannot understand when others do not instantly understand.

Maybe what Jeremy Corbyn want to know is what class were the parents of BBC employees. I understand that his parents were comfortably off. Does that mean he should or should not be able to work there?
varian - I assume so too. Does that mean those being interviewed by the BBC eg for Newsnight, would need to fill in a questionnaire too - or would they have to have the correct number of interviewees each day to keep the balance between socially privileged or not in proportion with the rest of the population?

There would be lots of paperwork involved.

What does “working class” even mean today
I'm retired - am I no longer 'working class'?

Anyway, John Prescott said that we are all middle class now, so what is Jeremy talking about?

When quoting directly from letters in today's Daily Telegraph, MawBroon, wouldn't it be courteous to acknowledge your sources, namely Mark Calvin of Dolgellau and Sandra Jones of Old Cleeve?

Grumppa I can't see all of today's letters to the editor of the Telegraph because I haven't got a subscription, but I do rather like this one.

SIR, The requirement proposed by Jeremy Corbyn, the Leader of the Opposition, for the BBC to reveal the “social class” of its workers is merely identity politics taken to its logical conclusion. At the moment things are too simplistic: ethnic minority woman – good; old Anglo-Saxon man – bad. This new higher-resolution data will enable much more targeted and politically effective discrimination. Mike Kaye,Lincoln

There is quite a lot of ‘fake news’ doing the rounds at the moment. Most of it is in the Daily Snail and the Torygraph.
The billionaire owners of these gutter rags are terrified of a Socialist Government because they are afraid that their tax evasions will be stopped.
Note, I said Socialist, not Communist.
Communism has never worked, never will. Socialism, as proved by many other countries, works very well in the right hands, and will certainly serve us better than the present corrupt administration.
Don’t like Jeremy Corbyn? OK, vote Conservative then. That will be a bit like burning your house down because you don’t like the curtains.

Socialism in the hands of a socialist is not socialism in the hands of a trot.

trisher yes... one can but dream....

sluttygran I love you! Brilliantly said!

grumppa Well said. Sometimes people like to sound clever and take the credit and sometimes people miss the point entirely. According to the psychology research, such people also convey an attitude that they are superior and often show snobbish traits or "one-up-man-ship" behaviour. You did well to see that it was a quotation from other people's letters.

It is interesting that what people continue to obsess over is "What is working clsss?", seemingly "What is privelege?" or perhaps "What is upper class?" appear to be concepts people are happy to ignore, something I have no doubt people like Jacob Rees Mogg are happy to see. As they then can be confident that the futures of their offspring (no matter how dim) are assured. Perhaps if a little more time was spent looking at these things and questioning the status quo there might be a little more hope of the gap between the rich and poor narrowing in the future.

Jalima1108 I would not think that revealing a person to come from a privileged background would exclude them from a job for which they were qualified.
The point of this is to ensure that people who are not given all the advantages may be recognised and helped to achieve their potential. It would also be a sieve for shaking out any snobbery, whereby people with (shorthand term) "posh" backgrounds get preferential treatment.
Jenny Murray of Woman's Hour has said how she is grateful that her mother sent her to elocution while she was a teenager, even though at the time she rebelled against it. She comes from the North of England, and the elocution taught her what, at the time was called "received speech" or "Oxford English". In her generation, she openly said, she knew she would not be employed by the BBC had she spoken with her northern accent. The regional accents are not prejudicial to employment now, thank goodness. However, more subtle prejudices can be at play.

Jalima1108 Ahh! But in my system those highly talented people would have very good degrees and be very highly respected for their excellent standards so that others would strive to attain the same and nobody would think that teaching Infants was not for clever people.

I would make sure that their talent and skill was recognised by a degree. The infant age group is the most important in the education system.

My system is not like today's. It recognises talent in every aspect. There is no snobbery saying someone hasn't got a degree but is a good infants' teacher any more in my system. That person's talent would be recognised as being of degree standard. I hope you get what I'm saying. I'm making sure that every high standard is valued so that people take a pride in doing well and nobody feels as if they aren't much good because they are "only" a ..... (name any job). In every job there would be recognition of the high standards people achieved within their job and people would be respected for it.

A little Rees Mogg applies for a job , needs to declare his parents employment !

He wouldn't need to, as with most people the grapevine would already know who he/she was and appropriate measures would be taken to ensure proper provision was made. In other words the job would be sorted. Just as internships in newspapers and the media already are.

janeainsworth the whole working/middle class crap is rubbish. There is no such thing as class nowadays. The only way to classify people is by household income.

People now are so diverse in every aspect from background, education, lifestyle, ethical beliefs etc that the days of working class/council house/Trade union and Middle class/mortgage/9-5 white collar job are as old fashioned and as irrelevant as penny farthings/horse drawn carriages/corsets.

It is only a political party that is so completely stuck in its past that it is incapable of looking at a society structure that doesn't accord with the good old days at the beginning of the 20th century, would be spouting all this hackneyed claptrap.

I heard some university professor on the radio claiming that because her parents were horny handed sons of toil that made her working class, I nearly fell off my chair laughing. I bet she went home to a smart flat or nice house in a leafy suburb to relax with a glass of wine.

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sluttygran I love you! Brilliantly said!"
Me too.
I'm not convinced that Corbyn will be the next PM, but if he is, I think he will have to tone down his more extreme views in order to keep his majority.

luzdoh I can follow your reasoning - but don't necessarily agree with it.
nobody would think that teaching Infants was not for clever people.
No-one thinks that now - surely everyone realise how important it is to teach and inspire reception and KS1 children?
I would not exclude anyone from a role like that just because they did not have a top degree - personality and the ability to inspire, teach and impart information is not necessarily something that those who achieve 'top' degrees may have.

That person's talent would be recognised as being of degree standard.
You have to have a degree to teach nowadays - what I was saying that some of the best and valued teachers I know qualified before that was necessary. Of course, I think they would mostly be retired now.
In every job there would be recognition of the high standards people achieved within their job and people would be respected for it.
Perhaps we are agreeing!

Perhaps Anniebach will remember this - the refuse collector (aka binman) who had a PhD in Cardiff?

As for elocution - I think that Jeremy has toned down his posh accent!
We all had elocution lessons at my school.

I agree that rigid class divisions are a thing of the past monica though I don’t think it’s only backward-looking political parties that like to stereotype and pigeon-hole people and correlate their attitudes and preferences with their social class.
Marketing companies are quite fond of it too, so they can imagine that they’re correctly targeting their marketing/advertising efforts.

Ah M0nica if only someone could convince JRM and Boris etc "there is no such thing as class nowadays" they know (and are really pleased you don't) that there is privelege and plebs and as long as the plebs argue amongst themselves privelege will always triumph. Interestingly enough George Orwell in "The Road to Wigan Pier" wrote about how the working class were despised by the lower middle class.

M0nica I agree

Corbyn does seem to have a hang-up about class.
Of course, if he is going to bring it to the forefront of political discussion, then people will bring up his background as class differences, in the days when he was growing up, were more marked.