Corbyn / BBC declare social class of employees?

Interestingly enough George Orwell in "The Road to Wigan Pier" wrote about how the working class were despised by the lower middle class.^
Proving a point, trisher, that class divisions were prevalent in the 1930s when The Road To Wigan Pier was written.

sorry, the ^^ didn't seem to work - I was quoting part of trisher's post

Anyone remember this version of the red flag?
sluggerotoole.com/.../the-working-class-can-kiss-my-ass-ive-got-the-foremans-j...
Dated 2011 - that's the way the class system seems to have gone.

Yes, I remember that!

And the working class despised the living on the dole class

This class thing is so pathetic

But the concept and the prejudice remains Jalima1108-she can't be working class, I'm not working class. For people who don't believe class exists there are an awful lot of similar comments. In fact the system of dividing working people still operates succesfully and isn't recognised so the situation brilliantly written about in Thressell's The Ragged trousered Philanthropists still exists just the names of the occupations have changed.

But the concept and the prejudice remains
You may be right, trisher - I will always consider that Jeremy is posher than me.

Wonder if Corbyn considered himself above Kinnock

BBC left wing! I think we listen to/watch different programmes! Kitty. it’s definitely right wing biased and pro Brexit these days! ?

Supposed class system

Arictocracy

Upper class

Upper middle class

Middle class

Lower middle class

Working class

On the dole / benifits class

What rubbish

Marketing companies use Social demographics that divide people into one of 5 social groups from A - E. They have broad definitions about what occupations fall into each group, which is not the same as classifying by class.

But marketing companies are making these classifications to identify those consumers most likely to buy certain products or have certain views. They are not using them to make huge sweeping judgements about groups of individuals, what they do, what they say and then making pejorative judgements of them the way that that antediluvian dinosaur the Labour Party is.

should be 'on them', penultimate line.

What makes you believe the Labour Party to be antediluvian or dinosaur? I have seen nothing to indicate either.

I suppose if you think it's progressive to have more homeless, more people using foodbanks and less social mobility then the Labour Party policies are antediluvian. Personally I see more Victorianism seeping in than at any time since the end of WW1 and if believing that society should function to support the less fortunate is dinosaur politics then I'd rather be a dinosaur.

The fact that it is blathering on about class.

How does knowing the parentage of a person applying for a job help reduce use of food banks ?

sluttygran........ tinkering with society is exactly the sort of petty socialism that Corbyn would love indulging in.
Take off your love goggles when viewing him.

Personally I see more Victorianism seeping in than at any time since the end of WW1

I really don't think that is true - I cannot speak from personal experience, of course, but only from anecdotal evidence from family members and from newsreels from the time.

However, I do think there is an element of Rachmanism appearing in this country which may be increasing and there is a great need for more and better social housing.

It cannot be denied that some children will fail in school, fail to reach their full potential , because they do not have parental support. Nothing can be done to make these parents change

Not Rachmanism, he used to send the heavies in to turn tenants into the streets and/or break up the accommodation to make it unoccupiable.

I lived in the Paddington North constituency at the time and did a lot of canvassing in the areas most affected and heard horrific stories.

Yes, there are poor landlords and sub-standard illegal properties and overcrowding, but nothing like Rachmanism.

annie I agree parental support is important, but I don’t agree that nothing can be done to change parents who through no fault of their own, are not very good at it.
These quotes are from the Wikipedia entry for Sure Start
In 2010, robust research conducted by NESS demonstrated significant effects of Sure Start Local programmes on eight of 21 outcomes: two positive outcomes for children (lower BMIs and better physical health), four positive outcomes for mothers and families (more stimulating and less chaotic home environments, less harsh discipline, and greater life-satisfaction)
But sadly,
However, in 2016 the British Medical Journal noted that the benefits of Sure Start to children and families were being eroded by austerity cuts and that, "disadvantaged families are at greatest risk from theseausterity cuts".

I will try again .

What is behind the need to know / having to declare what Social Class you come from?

If for example David Attenborough came from a council estate or palace would that sway your opinion of the work he produces ?

If a philanthropist /humanitarian had to declare his/her Social Class would that make a difference as to accepting their money?

Would you want to know the Social Class of your surgeon before being operated on?

Is a good / bad Member of Parliament only decided because of his / her background. They can be seen as being a hypocrite if they espouse one thing and do the other but is the Social Class of our MP's in the future going to be a criteria. Ye Goods I hope not but Corbyn should lead by example and declare the Social Class of all Labour employees , Shadow Cabinet and MP's if it so important to know.

If you feel it is a good thing to have to declare your Social Status can you explain to me why , what would you do with the information, , what the likely outcome will be because even raising the prospect sends chills down my backbone.

I stand corrected M0nica!

A lot of privately rented property today is unfit for habitation.

However, nursery places are funded for 3 year olds (570 hours p.a., double that in some cases) and in some cases 2 year olds are eligible too.

One of my young relatives had said that she thought that SureStart was at one time in danger of being 'hi-jacked' by better off families who did not necessarily need the help, certainly in her area.

"better off" families are no more or less likely to be good parents then less well off parents. Sure Start was there to help all parents of young children.
I don't agree with the attitude of "nothing can be done so let us not bother even trying"