Frank Field

I am glad to hear you voted Liberal trisher but the problem we have with our UK "democracy"is twofold - FPTP means many votes can never count, and secondly, far too many Labour and Tory voters are, unlike you and your OH, unwilling to ever vote any other way no matter how appallingly their parties behave.

and it's a mistake to think there isn't antisemitism within the current LP trisher so much so that there is a very real problem with it.
you are in denial, because it's something you would rather not face up to.
You say that you 'do not know' and neither 'do I'.... well, you may not have experienced it, and neither have I [we are not Jewish] neither have I experienced seeing rape, shoootings, muggings or a knife attack, but as it's widely reported I know it happens all the time.

of course he knows annie [McDonnell] he is shedding crocodile tears as he can't wait to get rid of moderate MP's.

Labour won three consecutive elections with Blair as leader, no other labour leader has done so.

1983 far left brought a humilating defeat and took 14 years to recover,

If as is claimed Blair was’t far enough left does this not tell us what the voter wants ?

Varian, may I ask how long you have been a lib supporter, did you remain so after Clegg cuddle up to Cameron in the rose garden?

I don't have an OH varian

Sorry Trisher I should have said your DS.

In answer to your question Annie I have been a member of the Liberal Party and later the Liberal Democrats since the 1970s. In my youth I voted Labour.

I am probably still to the left of the party and was a reluctant supporter of the 2010 coalition, Like most LibDems, I would have preferred a LIb/Lab coalition but the numbers did not add up.

There are Labour MPs that have never accepted that in recent years the party they are a part of has changed dramatically. That change was brought about by the failure of Labour while in power during the Blair/Brown era to adequately represent those who were the grassroots of the party and those in the Trade Unions. Therefore, change was demanded from those sources and in the democratic election of Jeremy Corbyn and others to senior positions in the party change has been brought about.

Under the Blair/Brown governments zero hours contracts began to proliferate, the gig economy was brought into being, the finance industry was allowed to gamble their customers and the nation's wealth without any meaningful regulation whatsoever and Blair led the nation into an illegal war. All the foregoing was rightfully “brought to Book” in the loss of the 2010 and 2014 General Elections for Labour.

The Labour party has now has policies and a leadership committed to reversing the above situations and more, with all being brought forward by democratic action involving of the whole Labour movement and not just the Labour MPs in parliament.

Whether those policies will win the majority support of the whole electorate at the next General Election is yet to be seen. However, those policies are supported by the vast majority of those who are at the grassroots of the Labour party and those who keep the party in financial being by way of their trade union subscriptions and branch affiliations.

In the above, there are those who for whatever their reasons among the Labour MPs and others who wish to see a return to the policies of the Blair/Brown era. In that, they dismiss those democratic changes that have been made and carry out a constant “ sniping War” against the elected leadership and will stoop to the lowest depths imaginable to gain their will.

In the above, we witness Frank Field resigning from the party (but not his parliamentary seat) in a week when parliament is due to reassemble sighting antisemitism as the cause. However, in his own constituency, a Labour Jewish group has stated that they have never been subjected to intimidation or bullying in planning to attend constituency meetings or while at those meetings.

We have also witnessed Margaret Hodge who used expletives directly into the face of Jeremy Corbyn then go on to compare her situation in the Labour party inquiry to Jewish people in 1930s Germany waiting for the Nazi henchmen to come for them, just how low can any person sink.

I am one who feels that the Labour Party has not been led well in recent months by Corbyn in regard to Brexit or the antisemitism issues. However, no challenge has been made against his continued Leadership, and therefore I accept that the majority within the Labour movement wish him to remain in his present position.

Therefore those who wish to see a change in leadership and policies should come forward with a constitutional challenge within the rules of the Labour party or shut up and allow the vast majority of Labour members who support that leader and policies to convince the wider electorate of their argument.

oh, nothing to do with the £3 membership then, and allowing militants back into the LP.

Wrong grandad43, not demands from grass roots members, yes demands by the unions and we all know when unions demand some labour leaders jump as did Wilson when he stood by and the unions demanded the man who was responsible for the deaths of 144, 116 were children under the age of 11 kept his job.

Grandad

" Under the Blair/Brown governments zero hours contracts began to proliferate, the gig economy was brought into being, the finance industry was allowed to gamble their customers and the nation's wealth without any meaningful regulation whatsoever and Blair led the nation into an illegal war. All the foregoing was rightfully “brought to Book” in the loss of the 2010 and 2014 General Elections for Labour ",

I will remember that , especially the zero hours and gig economy comment.

What is upsetting is Frank Field supported Corbyn for the leadership contest because he thought in fairness the far left should have their say, three years on the far left are kicking him out of the party.

The 2014 election was lost because the unions voted Ed for leader . Unions again !

I think you are right Annie. David Milliband would have been a better choice.

Trisher, I’d forgotten the incorrect post on this thread about which groups were murdered in concentration camps. I’ll amen my comment to say the vast majority of people don’t need reminding that groups other than Jewish people were deemed right for concentration camps.

David Milliband would have won the 2014 election, no doubt about it. He was by far the better choice. But there you go, a grave error of judgment has cost Labour dear, but of course no one can put the clock back unfortunately!

niggly, not an error of judgement, David had the support of MP’s and members but the Unions swung the vote to Ed, David was too new labour for the Unions and the Unions rule.

Trisher, I of course did know the Jewish community were not the first to become targetedto be murdered, I did however, think that the context of the conversation was concerning Jewish people.
I presume you did already realise that and your comments were just being argumentative.

For those interested I have started a thread on the latest news of the Labour Party. This thread is about Frank Field x

I have voted Labour all my voting life but joined when JC became leader because he was espousing the Labour principles that had been diminished by the Blairites..who in my opinion were only just left of Tory by the end. The swing to the left in labour is a direct result of the of its previous rightward lurch. The people who support a more Leftist Labour are legitimate citizens who felt nobody else had represented their perspective for a long while. If the Blairites had been more astute they would not have ignored their traditional supporters for so long and been aware that policies so similsr to liberal Tories was not going to cut the mustard for many Labour folk. The Iraq debacle swung it.

You're right annie, 'error of judgment' was the wrong phrase! It was, in fact a bitter disappointment for which I think the whole country has been the poorer for. A lot of 'what ifs'?!!? (the nearest I can get to a daffodil!!)

Grandmashe43 you posted ^ I think it began in Germany with the Jewish community^
Which is a commonly held belief by many. I simply pointed out that it didn't and that the first group targetted were the disabled. If you consider that being argumentative that is your choice.
I think we were discussing the activities of the Nazis.

niggly, most lovely Daff I have seen ?

Thank you annie, may it bring you sunshine!

It has niggly , it certaintly has x