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Anniebach Thu 30-Aug-18 16:35:07

Frank Field is resigning the party whip and will serve as an independent MP in protest of the party’s excuses over anti semitism and bullying in the party

After 39 years of being a labour MP

Shame on you Corbyn, shame on you

trisher Sat 01-Sept-18 16:51:07

I don't know if there is an anti-semitism problem in the Labour Party lemon and neither I suspect do you. I am happy to leave the complaints that have made to a proper process of investigation. I have never been happy with an accusation of any nature being tried and convicted by press and media speculation.
Annie if Frank Field was unable to convince his constituency party of his right to vote according to his conscience that is a problem he needs to address. It's certainly not my job to judge him.
niggly a vote of 'no confidence' puts any MPs future in doubt regardless of age.
I'm happy for you to explain Frank Field's beliefs to me lemon I haven't said he has no right to them simply that I don't understand them.

Grandmashe43 Sat 01-Sept-18 16:55:16

Trisher, I don’t want accusations of anti semitisam not to be resurrected, I want it to be shouted from the roof tops.
If it is to be investigated properly it must be kept in the public eye.

lemongrove Sat 01-Sept-18 16:56:04

All views must chime with your own trisher I see.
Corbyn has admitted that there is a problem within the LP but you 'don't know'…...clear as mud then!

Anniebach Sat 01-Sept-18 17:07:15

trisher, you don’t know if there is anti semetism problem in the party?

May I help ?

Anti semetism is always a problem as is all racism

Corbyn apologised for anti semetism in the party , by the party he was referring to the Labour Party.

Corbyn said ‘we must drive anti semitism from the party for good. He was referring to the Labour Party.

He knows there is anti semetism in the party, Labour MP’s know there is anti semetism in the party,

Jewish MP’s have told of the racist abuse they endure

Hopes this helps you trisher

trisher Sat 01-Sept-18 17:09:05

So neither of you believe in proper investigation or in the concept that anyone is innocent until proved guilty. You would rather have headlines and media reports than evidence and facts?

Anniebach Sat 01-Sept-18 17:10:49

The Labour Party is a democracy Trisher?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/18/revealed-how-increasingly-powerful-momentum-is-transforming-labour

Anniebach Sat 01-Sept-18 17:11:30

So Corbyn lied trisher ?

trisher Sat 01-Sept-18 17:12:15

And are the allegations being investigated?

Grandmashe43 Sat 01-Sept-18 17:14:47

Oh Trisher, for goodness sake, accept it. It has happened.it must stop.

Anniebach Sat 01-Sept-18 17:22:00

Ken Livingstone was investigated trisher,

Suspended for a year, followed by suspended by a year followed by suspended indefinitely, even he got fed up and left the party.

Peter Willsmsn, ally of Corbyn and member of the NEC was recorded making an anti semetic rant , he apologised so the NEC said it was closed.

Jalima1108 Sat 01-Sept-18 17:57:52

I don't know if there is an anti-semitism problem in the Labour Party lemon and neither I suspect do you.

You couldn't make that up either.

eazybee Sat 01-Sept-18 18:13:00

Well said, Jalima, and Anniebach, for your spirited defence.

Anniebach Sat 01-Sept-18 18:16:55

A female labour councillor has just given an interview, she endured so much bullying it brought on depression, she mail the complaints section and received a reply stating they were dealing with so many complaints they would respond in a week. When they contacted her she was told it would take a year to deal with her complaint, she has resigned from the party.

David Blunkett has spoken out today

Labours statement - we have a large number of members and increase our majority in the last election.

In plain speak - just zip it all critics , our mighty leader is above critcism

Iam64 Sat 01-Sept-18 18:20:11

It always surprises me when a discussion about anti semitism and the holocaust results in everyone being reminded that the Nazis also targeted other groups, those with disabilities, political prisoners, gays, Roma peopke, to name a few.
Who believes the Holicaust ‘only’ targetted Jewish people? Anybody? Thought not.

Anniebach Sat 01-Sept-18 18:20:26

trisher, are you bored? Deliberately playing a wind up game? You are an intelligent woman but your posts at times? rubbish. I think I for one am feeding your need .

Anniebach Sat 01-Sept-18 18:24:23

I have spoken to party members around the country, where Momentum is in control of a LP if anyone complains the response is the same , join another party !

POGS Sat 01-Sept-18 18:39:02

I think we can usually decide as to who, what we see as a nasty piece of work but it ain't Margaret Hodge and it sure as hell is not Frank Field.

As with Frank Field , Margaret Hodge has been held up as a decent Labour MP in the past but not since Corbyn/ Jeremy for Leader Momentum became the voice of Labour it would appear.

Is any Labour MP safe from the vitriol coming from their own party ?

I think they must be wondering what the hell happened to the Labour Party they served for years when they become the food for the attack dogs who perversely are left wing Corbyn devotees.

Says it all.

Anniebach Sat 01-Sept-18 18:47:03

No POGS , no Labour MP is safe from the vitriol coming from their own party, well with the exception of Jeremy Corbyn MP, John McDonald MP, Diane Abbott MP

There is another resignation coming up

POGS Sat 01-Sept-18 18:56:16

trisher

" Now we have returned and there are those who still don't want us because we are socialists. Well tough. You can try all the slurs you want, you can believe a right wing press, you can think up conspiracy theories and allegations of bullying. All will be investigated. But what isn't going to happen is that the younger generation and the confiirmed socialist are going to go away. We've claimed back a socialist party. "
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For all the years you and those like minded were in what shall we call it ' the wilderness' ' because you felt the Labour Party was no longer Socialist I wonder why there was never a new party formed called something like The Socialist Party? Corbyn and McDonnell could have fronted it and according to you it would have proven popular.

If ever a post was made that shows the division within the Labour Party since Corbyn /Momentum took the Labour Leadership and the inevitable return of many who once gave up on Labour your post has summed it up by far the best.

trisher Sat 01-Sept-18 18:57:06

It seems Annie that some Labour MPs are not safe from the vitriol expressed on GN constantly. The same things by the same people, who express their beliefs in democracy and the Labour party, and then act as accuser, judge and jury. Something I have never done.If you regard my posts as rubbish I am actually quite happy. I wouldn't want to be part of the narrow, judgmental, self righteous posters on GN. It does make you realise why all the left wing posters leave.
Iam64 there is at least one incorrect post on this thread about who was targetted by the Nazis first. But of course you knew that.

trisher Sat 01-Sept-18 19:00:53

POGS that's quite simple, we all knew Tony Blair was a chancer who would move on and the party would return to its roots. The question surely should be why didn't all those people who believed in Blairism split and make a party of their own when he left. Ah I know why. They wouldn't have had the backing of the Unions, because they were never socialists and the Labour party was and is.

POGS Sat 01-Sept-18 19:06:57

Well perhaps those who are deemed as Blairites will have a bit more bloody gumption than those who gave up Labour in what 1997 when Blair became Labour Leader upto 2016.

It will be interesting to see if the Labour voter is in chime with the Labour membership / activists and Corbyn / Momentum won't it.

POGS Sat 01-Sept-18 19:08:33

trisher

" and then act as accuser, judge and jury. Something I have never done."

Sigh

trisher Sat 01-Sept-18 19:19:59

Incidentally I voted Liberal because their policies at the time were more left-wing than the Labour Party. I don't think I was alone. My DS joined the Green Party because Labour were too right wing. It's a mistake to think there aren't socialists around just because you aren't one.

Anniebach Sat 01-Sept-18 19:22:43

I give up. John McDonald is worried and sadden by the prospect of a Labour split and has appealed to MP’s considering leaving the party to engage in dialogue with the leadership.

Does he not know it has been split since he snd Corbyn took on the leadership . Does he not remember he stood on stage in the O2 and called these MP’s f*****g losers .