Call off the dogs Corbyn

It's not a question of 'laying out policies', Jalima. It's a question of how do you want the country to be run, its citizens treated, its finances managed, etc.

I assume that, as voters, we have a vision of how we'd like the social and economic aspects of the country we live in to be and then we vote for the party that promises as near a match as possible to what we would like.

Well, I would have thought that first one decides how one wants to the country to be run, its citizens treated, its finances managed, etc. then one creates (lays out) policies to ensure that that will be achieved.

Of course, I am not a politician, what do I know.

You must have some idea of how you want the country of which you are a fully paid up citizen to be run, surely, Jalima?

Or do you just use the blindfold and pin method when you're voting in a general election?

Or do you just use the blindfold and pin method when you're voting in a general election?
Well, at the moment it is probably the best way.

No, in fact, my vote was wasted.

What I do, you see, is read the policies of the various parties. then decide.

I don't write my own and submit them.

Trisher, that's a most interesting article, thank you for posting that link. I always felt that Tony Blair was corrupt, now I know he is. It's almost unbelievable where he gets money from.

Nobody is asking you to write your own policies, Jalima.
Are you deliberately misunderstanding my question?

So, having read the manifestos of the parties what influences your choice?

(I am genuinely puzzled by your responses; how can you choose if you haven't any idea of what you want from a government?)

Maizie, reluctant? That is rubbish, are you a recently joined poster? I have been vocal in what I want for the U.K., a labour government of the centre left not a government of the far left with a PM who puts Venezuela up as an example to the free world !

Strange how bullying in the party isn’t consider worth discussing by the far left supporters here.

Maizie, why ask me what I want but ask Jalima which party policies she chooses?

Diversion yet again.

Trisher, no free speech in the Blair years? that is so not true, Benn, Skinner and the far left were not silent .

I have been vocal in what I want for the U.K., a labour government of the centre left

I, and others, are trying very hard to find out just what centrists, or centre leftists, or whatever you like to call it, want their ideal government to do. Labels are completely useless if no-one knows just what is being labelled.

Grandad has set out some examples of what he clearly would like to see; I posted a rather more 'general' extract from the recent IPPR report on a suggested over all tone and direction that a government might take. Absolutely no reaction! I can only assume that people are more interested in carping and criticising individuals than they are about what they want government to achieve.

Maizie, why ask me what I want but ask Jalima which party policies she chooses?

I despair, I utterly despair.

I wasn't asking anyone what policies they wanted. I was, see my previous sentence above, asking what they want a government to achieve. What their vision is for the country they live in. That Jalima has managed to interpret that as policies is startling.

This is what I said earlier:

I assume that, as voters, we have a vision of how we'd like the social and economic aspects of the country we live in to be and then we vote for the party that promises as near a match as possible to what we would like

What is so difficult to understand about it?

I too despair, utterly dispair .

I take very little notice of what grandad1943 wants, union power controlling a government .

I to fail to understand why those who describe their political views as centre-left do not wish to outline what policies they would wish to see in a political party campaigning under such a banner.

Would they support:-
A pledge to end to the gig economy that one in five workers find themselves employed in at present?

A pledge to end worthless so-called modern apprenticeships?

A pledge to end zero hours contracts especially those that restrict the employee from working for any other employer?

I would suggest that the above should be straightforward centre-left social policies that any left thinking person should be able to support and say so.

Nothing to do with me of course, but reading these posts on here , I'm increasingly appalled at the attitude of the far left. J.C is obviously being used as a means to an end and will be ditched as soon as his usefulness is clearly obsolete, the moderates in the LP seem as if they are completely helpless and in the grip of a pack of wolves determined to tear them to pieces, and it would appear that this is something nothing and nobody can prevent. Grandad, your insensitive almost cavalier attitude to the tragedy of Aberfan which does, perhaps surprisingly to some who have perhaps have lead a relatively tragedy free life, still haunt people all these years later and will continue to do so. The disgraceful behaviour at the death of Tessa Jowell by momentum's brave (?!) young warriors, the vicious vilification of Frank Field the loathing of anyone even remotely connected to Israel (there are other states in the world equally awful who never get a mention Venezuela comes out mind, not to mention N.Korea, human rights in China and a host of others who curiously seem perfectly ok!!!) is increasingly horrible. annie, I fear you are virtually the only voice of sanity and humanity on here and I do began to fear for us all in the event of these people gaining power.

Would any forum member care to point out when on this forum I have stated I wish to see "union power controlling a government" .

niggly, great post , yes grandad1943 dismisses Aberfan with ‘ bad luck it happened in 1966’ and ignores the fact his adored union power drove some union members to take their own lives, and wants that same power back.

The far left here choose to accept the racism and bullying in the party, they are intelligent people so it seems they choose to ignore it or support it because racism and bullying does exist in the Labour Party.

And that’s exactly the attitude that landed us with Theresa May.

Strong and stable! Not on your Nellie nigglynellie

Annie get real. What about that was a ‘great post’? As Grandad has pointed out it was inaccurate, and TBF it reeked of little old lady conservatism.

The only reason you think it’s great is because it’s backing up your own conservative fears and because she lauded you.

Just read Theresa May tweeted she was watching Strictly and if anyone wanted tips to get in touch ?, I do like this woman.

We know.

To those who state that I have shown a " cavalier attitude to the Aberfan disaster, here is what I have stated on that terrible disaster. Quote begins here:-
Aberfan was many years before the Blair government era and eight years before the Health and Safety at Work Act came into being which would have in all probably prevented the disaster.

Without a doubt, had the Health & Safety at Work Act been in force at the time of the Aberfan disaster then Robens and many others would have lost their jobs and much more.

However, as I have already stated had the Act been in force in 1966 then it is almost certain the disaster would not have occurred. In that, risk assessment is at the very heart of the HASAWA, and under that legislation, risk assessments would have been carried out on those waste tips which would have undoubtedly brought forward the dangers they held.

Since the HASAWA was brought into being workplace accidents, have been reduced by 86% and that on the back of an ever-growing workforce.

It was the trade unions placing pressure initially on the Wilson government that brought the act into being. Therefore many working people have since its inception returned home from their employment safe and unharmed each day because of trade union presence and pressure on government.
Quote end:-

I would ask where is the Cavalier attitude in the above.

It was the trade unions which kept Robens in his job.

grandad1943 were the Unions right to keep Robens in his job? It can only be yes or no surely.

nigglynellie, anniebach I believe I should receive an apology from each of you regarding your stating that I had shown a " cavalier attitude" to the Aberfan disaster.

I have worked the last 35 years of my life in Industrial Safety trying to prevent accidents occurring in the workplace. Therefore to state what you have I find totally offensive.

My above quote regarding what I have stated on the Aberfan disaster proves I believe my point

Were the unions right to keep Robens in his job , yes or no grandad1943?