The Last Days of Mrs May?

The ministers and deputies in Westminster had barely taken a look at the 585-page Brexit deal before the shock waves began to rock British Prime Minister Theresa May and her government in London.

For the most of them, it only took one look at the term "customs union" and the projectiles began to fly. Following an agonizing appearance in the House of Commons and a series of resignations, including that of Brexit Minister Dominic Raab, the prime minister — along with the whole edifice of British politics — was plunged into a state of chaos.

What a glorious Brexit...

Scornful laughter rang through Westminster when May declared that she had now negotiated a "smooth and orderly" Brexit. The deal is pure political poison. For friends of Europe, it brings too few advantages; for the Brexiteers, it is too close to the EU. The Scots feel ignored, the Northern Irish Democratic Unionist Party demands equal treatment, and the opposition Labour Party hopes, above all, to overthrow the Tory government with the help of Brexit.

Brexit debate: Clash over whether BBC or ITV will host debate

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46386737

Why do they bother with this pointless debate? There is very little to chose between Corbyn and May on brexit. Both were ostensibly remainers but did virtually nothing for the Remain Campaign. Then after 27% of the population voted leave, they immediately started chanting silly mantras about the "will of the people" and "delivering what the people want", because they were afraid of the brexiteer bullies in their own parties.

They both seem terrified of allowing the people to look at the implications of brexit and vote. So what is the point of having this debate, assuming it happens as they can't even agree on when and where?

Silly mantras about the will of the people Varian that’s a bit rich, when all you do is argue for another referendum!

Actually, it’s quite funny.

There is absolutely nothing funny about making this country poorer in every way for the rest of our lives and probably our children's lives. Nothing funny at all about brexit. It is potentially a tragedy, not a comedy.

The only people laughing would be folk like Vladimir Putin and a handful of foreign billionaires who stand to make a fast buck out of "disaster capitalism"

And we all know what happens when these ruling rogues see a country going down the pan.
It's never been us who've raised our hand against any other country, therefore would we be prepared ? The answer to that is no.
We'll be nobody's friend after this lot. What an unholy mess.

What exactly is funny please?

Goodness me Project Fear alive and kicking on here I never hurt such a load of nonsense.

Typo heard not hurt.

Corbyn has always wanted out

Donald Tusk has warned British MPs that if they reject Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement, they face a choice of either no deal or no Brexit.

The European Council president sought to make clear that the deal is the “only possible one”, amid speculation that Ms May could try to either renegotiate the package or that parliament might seek a Norway-style status instead.

It comes after the Bank of England and the Treasury released data suggesting a no deal exit could lead to a savage recession in the UK , with a devastating impact on household incomes.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-tusk-no-deal-theresa-may-eu-president-latest-g20-donald-latest-a8660851.html

Surely everyone must now realise that if Theresa May cannot persuade MPs to back her deal, her options are very limited. Going back to renegotiate is not an option.

Whether she resigns and is replaced by another Tory PM, or calls an election and is replaced by Jeremy Corbyn, neither of them would be able to negotiate a better deal either. It is blindingly obvious that the best possible deal is the one we presently have.

May’s letter to the public is riddled with untruths and half-truths

infacts.org/mays-letter-to-public-riddled-with-untruths-and-half-truths/

Infacts ? But it’s against brexit, so they would say That wouldn’t they

Yes Infacts campaigns for Remain. Their views have been backed by the Bank of England and Treasury analyses of brexit outcomes.

Anyone can easily put their fingers in their ears and refuse to listen to any evidence or reasoned argument against brexit on the basis that it is coming from a person or group who supports Remaining in the EU. We should be able to weigh up the arguments for and against.

The problem is that brexiters have no evidence or logical argument in favour, which is why they constantly attack their opponents, like JRM describing Mark Carney as a failed second rate Canadian politician" He didn't bother to check his facts. Carney has never been a politician. He was a very successful governor of the Bank of Canada before moving to the Bank of England.

We'll never get to the truth why people voted Brexit.

I think that we have discovered that folk voted for brexit for many different reasons.

Some were influenced by the anti-immigration propaganda, which appealed particularly to racists (and especially in areas of the country with very low levels of immigration).

Some believed the lie on the bus and thought there would be more money for the NHS and everything else .

Some were swayed by the clever slogan "bring back control" which worked because although brexit would actually mean giving away control, a lie repeated enough times seems like the truth to some folk.

Some had very little idea what the EU was about (before 2015 the EU was very low down on the lists of voters' concerns).

Some were fed up with their town or region being impoverished ever since the Thatcher era, and did not realise how much EU regeration money had been pumped in to help them (eg the NE of England, Cornwall, Wales).

Some talked about "sovereignty", not realising we already had sovereignty.

Some had no clue, but were told how to vote by the papers they read.

Some could not stand that smug Old Etonian David Cameron and wanted to show him they'd had enough of his and his ilk.

But no-one, absolutely no-one voted for brexit because they wanted to be poorer.

Varian “EU regeneration money pumped into NE England, Cornwall and Wales” really????

They were just letting us have back a percentage of what we had handed over to them in the first place.

GrannyG it’s hilarious isn’t it? Given pocket money by the EU from our own money, but only to do certain things with.

Nothing hilarious about making our country poorer in every way for at least the next fifty years. Not hilarious. Not even the tiniest bit funny. Tragic.

Lemon ????

At least it guaranteed that the regions got some support. I very strongly suspect that they wouldn't have had any support from British governments.

And, I also suspect that if they had been supported from hypothetical UK money most of the Gnet grans would have been up in arms about the 'unfairness' of it.

Who would take over from TM ?

Yes the EU gave money to regions who wouldn’t have got it from the UK government - they would have given it in tax cuts to their cronies. So it was being distributed to those in need.

Remember that an alternative government would be the death knell for this country as we'd end up like Venezuela where people queue for food because the country is bankrupt------meaning that a Socialist government wouldn't and doesn't work. It wouldn't bear thinking of a Marxist Corbyn leading the country into communism.

It appears that those North of Watford particularly Wirral are the ones who are shortchanged by the government not London and its suburbs. We up here are the poor relations.

Not a million miles from me is a place called Rock Ferry and a couple of years ago there was a gas explosion where many homes and businesses were as near as flattened by the blast and a young man lost half his skull. Nobody has offered help to the area neither the government nor the council over 2 years on. There are still " meetings " ongoing without resolution to those who lost everything.

If that had been London it would have been sorted ages ago--------see the difference ?