Is this the beginning of the end for Brexit?

cindersdad sadly I fear TM will take no account of this whatsoever, it's her way or the highway, for some incomprehensible reason the original vote (when we knew nothing of issues) was democratic, another would not be even though there would be so many new voters who will have to live with the consequences.

we are, tonight, truly on the edge of precipice.

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1911772389129114&id=1564824773823879

... but no need to worry about it- it will be all fine and dandy and lovely, and unicorns ...

Different thread, same hyperbole

Thanks for the link, jura.

I think that all those who told us that they voted Leave because they are 'risk takers' will thoroughly enjoy listening to that broadcast. After all, we are now in what could be an unprecedented situation in politics and government and, excitingly for them, we've no idea how it's all going to end.

What larks Pip...

The people telling you you'll be better off and that Britain would somehow emerge stronger, these are now the people telling you that we'll survive, or it won't be the end of the world. Or there could be benefits 50 years down the line. These people told us our lives would be improved immeasurably and immediately.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/brexit-better-off-well-survive-james-obrien/

Aah, but according to Andrea Jenkyns, MP,:

"It is better to go down fighting and honouring the democratic decision of our British people. Then to be long remembered for waving a white flag and surrendering to EU demands".

twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1051366874250907653

There are no words.

How do these people get elected?

These politicians are utterly contemptable.

They would condemn the British people to a discredited, empoverished future as the laughing stock of the world - a once great nation who cut off our nose to spite our face, shot ourselves in the foot then tried to threaten the other 27 countries of the EU by saying "If I can't have my cake and eat it , I will jump off a cliff and then you'll be sorry"

If I was not British I would be laughing, but it is rea;lly not funny to see the damage that could be inflicted on our children and gracchildren.

A month ago Peter Kellner wrote this-

"Early next year, Britain will switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country. To be more precise: if not a single voter in the referendum two years ago changes their mind, enough mainly Leave voters will have died, and enough mainly Remain voters will have reached voting age, to wipe out the Leave majority achieved in June 2016.

This is the clear conclusion from a new YouGov survey for the People’s Vote Campaign. They show that demographic factors alone are causing the Leave majority to shrink by around 1,350 per day, or almost half a million a year. Crossover Day, when Remain moves into the lead, will be January 19. By March 29, the day the UK is due to leave the European Union, the Remain majority will by almost 100,000 – again, assuming that nobody who voted two years ago has changed their mind."

www.independent.co.uk/voices/final-say-remain-leave-second-referendum-brexit-no-deal-crossover-day-a8541576.html

I do not think we need to wait that long. Most UK citizens now reject brexit and would prefer to remain in the EU.

Obviously it is difficult for Theresa May, as it would be for any PM, to admit that - it involves a big loss of face to say "We are sorry we initiated this ludicrous process which has involved so much waste of time, effort and money. We are very sorry that we made this mistake. We realise that the best future for our country and your 27 other countries is fore us to remain a member of the EU. Please allow uas to revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU"

It would be difficult for her to do, but if dshe is a patriot, and has the best interests of the British peopkle at heart, that is what she should do.

she doesn't have anyone's interest at heart but her own .Thats quite clear from where I'm sitting.Today she told Ian Blackford an ELECTED member of the SNP that it wouldn't be in Scotlands interest to go back into the EU ,thats Scotland who voted remain and who have a government with a MANDATE that included remaining IN the EU and leaving the UK.She is the one who has no idea whats in Scotlands interest ...she wants to keep Scotlands revenue in her pocket for all those things we need..like HS2 ,and Buckingham palace refurb and London crossrail etc etc etc .

World-leading scientists and mathematicians from across Europe have warned against a hard Brexit if the UK is to preserve its vital research.

In a letter addressed to Theresa May and European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker, 29 Nobel Prize winning scientists and six winners of the prestigious Fields Medal urged them to pursue the “closest possible cooperation”. French biologist Jules Hoffmann, Dutch chemist Paul Crutzen and ​German biologist Christiane Nusslein-Volhard were among those warning that leaving the EU could establish barriers to scientific partnerships that have provided a massive boost for European research.

www.independent.co.uk/news/science/brexit-latest-science-nobel-prize-no-deal-eu-theresa-may-francis-crick-institute-a8596201.html

I returned home to Germany last week after a stay in the UK.Everyone I met was anti Brexit,quite unlike previous visits when I was afraid to open my mouth, as it was obvious that I could never be for Brexit.

The problem for young scientists is one I know well, having a daughter in a university laboratory researching stem cells. So many UK PhD students are desperate even though they will probably get Visas if necessary. They see the continuation of their work badly curtailed.
Some like the continental way of life, like I do. They thought they had started on a career which could take them anywhere.

18 months of listening to UK Mps wanting all the perks and none of the responsibility of holding the EU together if only for the sake of lasting peace. And all for their own rules, most of which they have control of anyway. Its time they realised that the world we live in is not like the Last night of the Proms, but a much harsher place.
I only hope that finally reason will prevail and the Uk can be saved from chaos.

Margaret - I agree with your last 7 lines. Having lived in France for 17 years, I know we were very fortunate to be able to live a simple life in beautiful surroundings for so long.
Now returned home and although I love this country, many people are really out out of touch with the the rest of the continent.
Why should the EU bend over backwards to accommodate our demands?

Just heard that the Brexit pin up James Dyson is making his new car in Singapore, which has just done a free trade deal with the EU!

Yes, I have just read the Dyson assembly plant report. It would seem that those that promoted Brexit the strongest now cannot wait to place all there investments outside the UK.

Talk about putting your money where your mouth is; you most certainly could not make that one up, could you.

What a gang of Bozos these leading Brexitiers are. "You all jump off the cliff, but I am sure you will not mind if we go the other way".

It is very difficult for anyone to attempt to explain the brexit nonsense to other countries. They are understandably perplexed. It is full of contradictions and makes no sense.

Here is a short video of an attempt by former U.K. Ambassador to the U.S. Peter Westmacott discussing the latest Brexit negotiations over the Irish border in an attempt to clear the path to a deal. He makes it clear that any kind of brexit would be very bad news.

www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-10-19/brexit-options-leave-u-k-economy-worse-than-now-westmacott-says-video

Dyson says post Brexit Britain not the place to build electric cars. He has had thousands of ££s of taxpayers money for research. I will never buy a Dyson product.

I’ve heard Dyson got £16 million from the taxpayer to research his cars.

Who, and why did this " leaving of the EU " was responsible for this most unnecessary vote ? Why was it ever cast ? Weren't things better left as they were instead of this hornets nest which has been uncovered ?. So what,if the EU was costing us ? Foreign aid is coasting us far more as will the final cost of leaving create thousands out of pocket.

grandad 1943 - if only "Going the other way" were an option!
Scotland has made it clear that's what we want but we'll be dragged off the cliff along with the numpties who thought brexit was the way to go!

ElanVannon I assume these are rhetorical questions?
If not, do you have an answer to offer?

It seems to me the time for the Why’s and If only’s are past and yes, you/we may feel we are banging our heads against a brick wall, but the difference is that this time it looks as if it is going to be worse when we stop!
Not a declaration of poltical opinion either way but Why oh why? Won’t get us anywhere either.

SIR James Dyson was interviewed on TV about EU grants he said that he did receive millions in grants for his farm but he HAD TO take them as everyone else did! Silly me,I thought they had to be applied for .Even Lizzies estates got EU grants while many small farmers struggled to get them.Of course as with everything else in the UK its all about WHO you know .That Sir before his name would have got his application noticed!!

One of our assignment teams returned to the office today following a three-day safety audit at a medium sized Transport company. The team are saying that the owners of the business are now having to face the prospect of issuing redundancy notices to their drivers at the end of December due to the uncertainties of Brexit.

In the above, a large percentage of the companies business is in continental haulage on JIT distribution for a number of customers. In a "no deal" Brexit there will be no transition period with the prospect of disruption through the ports commencing as early as the 30th of March 2019. The foregoing would make JIT services impossible and with none of the companies customers stating what alternative plans they have (if any), then to issue twelve week redundancy notices to the drivers is being seen as the only way forward if the company is to survive at all under various scenarios.

The HGV drivers under threat are those that carryout the journeys were illegal immigrants often try to climb into their vehicles and threaten drivers as we have all seen so often on television. Now their reward for all that stress is to be served with redundancy notices.

The above is the real cost of the incompetence of those involved in the planning and negotiation of Brexit. In that, it is not their living and the welfare of their families that is on the line, to them it is just words, while for others it is their jobs and through that, paying the mortgage or rent that is at stake.

Sadly as we approach the end of the year, I feel many more of these situations will develop in the road transport industry.

Britain has left it too late to prepare its borders for a no-deal Brexit, which would be a gift for organised criminals and chaotic for traders, the UK’s spending watchdog warns Theresa May today.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-no-deal-theresa-may-border-force-criminals-national-audit-office-talks-a8598206.html

The problem seems to be that there is a widespread belief in the country that even in a "no deal" scenario there will be a transition period.

However, as the situation stands at this point in time, in the above scenario there would no transition period as there would be no agreement to transition towards. Anyone can only imagine the chaos that may well ensue on the 30th of March next year through the ports should Britain just "crash out" of the European Union.

No business will at present spend large amounts of money making preparations for a "no deal scenario" when an agreement could be concluded up at any time, however unlikely that may now seem.

What a shambles to put it very mildly.