The Nasty Labour Party - what they really stand for.

At no point have I suggested that a Marxist led government is the answer.

Even if it was what I wanted (which it isn't) it simply would not happen.

We just need a humane re-adjustment of priorities so they those who get left behind under the current policies have the chance to play their part in society and feel valued.

Exactement, Luckygirl. Respect to you.

Luckygirl I will accept that you used the phrase ‘grocer’s daughter’ without meaning any malice , but you should realise it was never ever a ‘lighthearted remark’ it was used at the time by some of the Opposition and from some Conservative (men) as a put down to her.How dare this woman from a shop background be leading us! That kind of thing.
Whatever anyone thinks of Mrs T , she was the first female PM and never had it easy in a man’s world.
So many years on, and neither does T May.

Corbyn and Co with his promises of all things to all men ( and women and children) would ruin the UK.

What we actually need, once Brexit is finally a done deal, is
For the Conservatives to be able to concentrate on domestic policies, it’s natural that at the moment, Brexit is taking centre stage.

I used to have high hopes for the Lib Dems but think they are consigned to the political dustbin of history now.
If a centre party had been going to form, it would surely have done so by now.

Wow.... I will accept.... that's big of you.

actually the blessed Margaret was heard to refer to herself as a "grocers daughter "

Lemon and gravy - the stats are against your assertions that all is well in the UK.

Jobs. There may be less unemployment, but a lot of jobs now are not secure, permanent, jobs. Real wages have been falling since 2005 (Machin 2018).

Housing. Homelessness and rough sleeping are rising. The housing shortage is variously estimated at around just under four million homes (Heriot Watt uni) with nearly two million people on waiting lists for social housing - ie something they can afford. It is estimated that around 350 thousand homes need to be built annually. The current rate is less than 300 thousand (fullfact.org) so the position is worsening rather than improving.

By the way, a Marxist government WOULD be the answer to these crises!

Yes oldbatty I rather think it is.

We just need a humane re-adjustment of priorities

And a proper understanding of national economics...

Thousands upon thousands of houses are being built / have just been built, and with the population as it is even more will be built in the near future, we are entering a house building boom like no other since the 1960’s.

grannypauline you are entitled to your own opinion as we all are.

Corbyn is too dim for economics, he only has dogma and Marxist ideals.Who wants to be first in the long, long bread queue?

You're right there lemon; hundreds of thousands of new houses are being built right across the country. In our village alone, 3 large tracts of green belt have just been earmarked for 400 houses and in the next village they are having 2500 houses built on green belt.

Yes, we have had well over a thousand with another 800 in the pipeline.Houses at all kinds of prices.Although it’s a lot for our village I recognise it’s needed.
Friends that live in the North say the same thing.

lemon, I have no wish to join a queue for anything.

I fear that the young are being sold Corbynism in our 6th forms and unis, they will believe him when he says he will wipe out student debt. when he says he will make university fees obsolete. There is not enough money in the pot for these "ideas"

The LP constantly go on about taxing the rich more, the rich will just leave these shores. I have read that there has been more corporation tax collectioned in the last financial year than ever before.

Surely we need to encourage private investment which in turn provides employment, which puts money in people's wallets enabling them to spend on what they wish.

Paddyann, I am a coal miners daughter, to speak of me as the coal miners daughter when I have a name , not acceptable

Private investment has seen all our essential utilities, even water and nuclear power, our main transport systems, including airports- being sold to rich investors - not British ones- foreign, some from EU, some from afar.

How can Great Britain get back control - when they have deliberately, sold it to the EU and to others, like China, etc?
This is something I just cannot get my head around. We have lost control already- by selling it,

And now, we intend to sell education and the NHS to the USA?!? and give up our welfare, environment and agricultural standards to the USA too in exchange for any (desperate) deal, and virtually become the 51st State- without representation. How can this be 'getting back control'?

As for building - lots going on now- with a massive % of foreign workers at all levels, and freetrade in importing materials from the EU ... and with a significant % going to rich foreign investors. Very little affordable housing - even those developers who had to promise a good % of units being 'affordable' have now been allowed to backtrack.

How much affordable housing is going on in your area, on your green belt. Near us in the East Midlands, it is all detached 4-5 bed houses with 3 bathrooms, etc .

Well of course we do GrannyG but those who pursue marxist ideals won’t accept capitalism, everything would be State run, money to cover their mad plans would be borrowed, ( they won’t worry about any paying it back)
Inflation could ensue etc etc.
The young are idealistic and swallow ( a lot of them) what a kindly looking old uncle tells them.Thank goodness most of them can’t be bothered to go out and vote.

They even own most of our water. If they wanted to - they would have us totally over a barrel.

Foreign governments are making hundreds of millions of pounds a year running British public services, according to an Independent investigation highlighting how privatisation is benefiting overseas – rather than UK – taxpayers.

Swathes of Britain’s energy, transport and utility networks are run by companies owned by other European governments – meaning foreign exchequers reap the dividends while UK customers struggle with increasing fares and bills.

In the past two years alone, overseas taxpayers have taken dividends totalling nearly £1bn from companies which make their profits from UK households and passengers.

Not here jura there are 1,2,3 and four bed homes being built and plenty of ‘em!

They won’t want to ‘have us over a barrel’ they are companies who want to make profits.....shock horror that is what business does, makes money and to do that has to be run efficiently.....which is where State owned things fall down.

jura2 there must be the need for 4 bedroom houses where you are. I know builders and they will not build what they cannot sell.

In my area SE, we have had multiple developments of 1 & 2 bedroom flats, 50 percent on the buy half rent half schemes and affordable housing. They have to provide on the affordable part of the development or they are not granted planning position.

Corbyns cronies would bleed this country dry and leave office with an enormous defecit.

There would be strikes, short working weeks but that would not bother him or his pals that he has just given nice pay rises to?

yes lemongrove, that Hobson's disaster choice again.

Are you telling me that those companies are not run for the benefit of their shareholders mainly (most of them are not British) - and that maintenance, upgrading and improvements have really been satisfactory to us the customers- really?

so yes, either bled dry by the Unions- or bled double dry by greedy shareholders and banks most of them abroad. Those who benefit massively from profits and sales, but expect to be bailed out when things go pear shaped?

What a terrible choice.

lemon, there are those who do not like to see businesses making a profit, even small ones like mine seem to be on the public enemy list of the Corbynistas

It’s business jura if companies want to be successful, and most do, then they have to provide good services.Ones that don’t will fall by the wayside, be picked up by other companies and do better.
State owned things tend to not care much, as witnessed in The old USSR days.