The Nasty Labour Party - what they really stand for.

Anniebach, he is there to represent the current beliefs and policies of the Labour party and his constituency party. Those policies have been brought forward by democratic means.

If the constituency party feel their MP is not supporting those policies to the full, they have the democratic right to deselect that MP by a ballot of the constituency party members.

Simple as that.........Democracy.

So democracy is like the wind, blows one way then the other. Not for me.

GG13 There may have been some increase in money unfortunately the money hasn't gone where it was needed. It has been used instead to implement the establishment of Academies and Free Schools, a purely political move. Free. schools alone have lost £150 mill in start up funds without many ever opening. Most of this is also in the secondary sector. In the primary sector having cut as many services as posssible to the bone Headteachers are faced with the only option to cut staff. Why else do you think they were protesting? Do you not realise these are the people who dedicate themselves to educating the nation's children and they have never before acted like this. Not even when the Conservatives were last in power and school buildings. were leaking and unfit for purpose.

Democracy is the ability for people and political organisations to change their views and policies in line with changing circumstances.

That is the very basis of democracy.

You have been asked what democracy is for you Annie I think you wouldn't say. So perhaps I should assume. If Annie agrees with it, it's democracy, if she doesn't, it isn't.
Silly you Grandad1943 you thought it was something to do with people being allowed a vote didn't you? You probably believe in one person, one vote as well don't you?

annie - yes cannon fodder, always has been the case.

There is lots and lots of evidence that Army Recruitment drives have been targeted at the poorest areas, often on youngsters in difficulty is lots of ways:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/08/british-army-criticised-for-exam-results-day-recruitment-ads

2018 Jura. The Falklands were 1982, it certaintly wasn’t happening here

I am not comfortable with slavish loyalty , I find it pathetic

I find it scary.

Even if you SUPPORT someone you should still consider them fallible and open to critique.

Unquestioning adoration is dangerous.

Support labour by all means but as a SUPPORTER you should WANT to hold them accountable.

NOONE has no room for improvement.

Exactly notanan, I think to get rid of an MP for not voting with the wishes of the leader is hypocritical when the very same leader is definitely not known for loyalty to his party .

I also think it hypocritical of Corbyn devotees to admire him for voting for his principles then claiming it’s democracy to support people who want rid of their MP for voting for their principles.

And the MP was held accountable by the majority in his constituency party, found wanting, and deselected.

That's Democracy notanan2

Its absolutey awful the discussion on here about politics.

In my humble opinion the country is in an almighty mess. The Tory party were caught on the hop by the leave result. I don't think anybody really thought about Ireland.
The UK is fragmented and divided and the best we can come up with is a slanging match.

oldbatty, I am not "slanging" anybody. I am merely pointing out the basics of democracy to those who seem not understand (or do not wish to understand when it suites them) those basics.

"Youngsters in difficulty in many ways" not the armed forces I know.

Troubled youngsters would not pass the psychometric and physical tests.

Why oh why do people on these political threads look for the worst case scenario possible?

Yes, it was annie - saw it with my own eyes - as a teacher.

Current beliefs of the Labour Party? My beliefs remain the same . So I was right, democracy is like the wind, for some

jura you are so out of touch with the army of today!Calling them ‘cannon fodder’ is plain daft.
Young men from disadvantaged backgrounds, young men from middle class backgrounds and every background you can think of make up the modern army, and they are proud to serve and do the job they do.

Being out of step with the Corbynistas seems like the right way to be walking to me.

Only the Great High Lentil is allowed to vote with his principles Annie it would seem!

jura2 as a parent of an AC who is currently serving in the military and has been to numerous war zones I find your "cannon fodder" remark deeply offensive.

It really does set the tone for The Nasty Labour Party!!!

These people fight for their queen and country, have witnessed things that you cannot imagine, please show them some respect.

That's interesting lemon any evidence? Or just one of your statements of truth.
Evidence from 2017 that the army was still targeting disadvantaged young people and recruiting 16 year olds. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/09/british-army-is-targeting-working-class-young-people-report-shows
The recruitment of children is totally repugnant.

GG13 do you consider a 16 year old from a disadvantaged background is able to adequately consider the full implications of what he or she is signing up for?
Because if they don't they are still cannon fodder. And the phrase has never disrespected ordinary soldiers, it is a criticism of those who recruit and use them for their own ends, then abandon them. People like Tony Blair.

trisher 16 yr olds are not deployed to war zones, they are taught trades, they further their education, in many circumstances do their degrees, all paid for by the service they have enlisted in. Under 18's need parents signature to enlist.

What I find repugnant is your spin on "recruiting children"

I find recruiting children repugnant as well GG13
These are children. They are not adults.
Your idealistic concept is not supported by the veterans who have written about their experiences or by Child Soldier an organisation campaigning against child soldiers world wide.
Children recruited at 16 are more likely to die in battle when at 18 they are sent into combat. They are more likely to suffer from PTSD, more likely to commit violent acts and find adjustment to civilian life very difficult.
www.child-soldiers.org/dontenlistat16

"That's democracy" isnt an answer to why labour voters who should in theory be the ones who are most demanding and critical of their representatives, are treating their MPs more like religious leaders than political reps!

My area has a a Tory MP. His supporters keep him on his toes at his clinics!. No chanting or selfies!

I have not got idealistic views, I am a parent of a serving soldier!

UK "child soldiers", as you describe are furthering their education, learning trades. Would you rather them hang around street corners, get into gangs or drugs or live on benefits!!!

Military personnel as I posted earlier experience dreadful things, some cope better than others, it has always been so.

Do you suggest we have no army/navy/airforce, because ex military might experience PTSD. Civilians suffer PTSD for many different reasons.