The Nasty Labour Party - what they really stand for.

Cannon fodder is a derogatory term which was popularised in WW1.

Which is the lesser of two evils? Join the armed forces , learn a trade but with the knowledge that military combat could be ahead

Or

Hang around the streets, join gangs, be used by drug dealers and possibly get hooked on drugs .

Surely the armed forces is a job.....like being a teacher, a builder or a hairdresser is a job?

I've never understood the " Queen and country " thing.

Good job that you are not young and considering joining the services then Oldbatty since you don’t understand the concept of serving and protecting.
trisher you are going off at a tangent talking of ‘child soldiers worldwide’ as we are not talking of children in African hell holes kept high on drugs and handed machetes and guns here, but the British Army of today.
It can be a real escape from a life with little meaning or opportunity for some.As they can be taught a trade, even if they don’t stay in the army beyond a few years, they will come out more independent and resilient than before they went in.
There are plenty of young men from all backgrounds serving in the forces today.

Perhaps we can return to the question the OP posed now, although I can see why some are enjoying the distraction away from JC and his abysmal cronies.
Did anyone see that he is paying Milne and others close to him an absolute fortune, just getting 26% payrise for one of them!

I noticed that "snippet" on the internet earlier lemon, but I do not think any JC supporters have.

I never reply to demands Maizie

You never really reply to anything, Annie

However, it wasn't a 'demand', it was a polite request for more information. That's what discussion is all about. Not making dogmatic statements that one's not prepared to explain or expand on.

lemon, yet again you are so very rude.

Not at all, just telling is like it is.

I am not young, I am not considering joining the services. I do understand the concept of serving and protecting.

To assume otherwise is rude.

I also understand that service personnel are paid and therefore are making an educated choice ( one would hope) about a career path.

Seamus Milne £101,855

Kari Murphy (close friend of Len McClusky) £90,704

And others

Anniebach "Cannon fodder" is much older than WW1it was first used in the civil war. It indicates troops sent in to draw fire, at high risk of being killed. If you read the reports about the child soldiers recruited at 16 they characteristically take more chances and are used in more risky operations once they are 18. I cannot believe that anyone supports the recruitment of children to serve in the armed forces. A 16 year old who has been well protected is still an adolescent with their brain developing. A 16 year old from a poor background often brings their own traumatic early life with them. They are more vunerable than older recruits.

You can dress it up any way you like , talk about trades and camadarie and so on. Its a job and you will kill if you are instructed to.

trisher have you spent any time in "barracks". The forces become these youngsters family, they look out for each other, they are given opportunities. I think you have a very odd attitude to the very people that keep this country safe, they run into danger when others run away from it. They are not conscripts, they enlist of their own volition.

I am speaking from experience, are you?

they look out for each other because otherwise they would die.

Not being the Tory party does not give labour a free pass. Sorry.

Labour cannot continue to claim to be decent simply by the default of not being the Tory party

Once again notanan2 you nailed it. You are absolutely right and it's what Labour supporters do, time and time again. It's quite funny really. That, and throw in mention of everything, absolutely everything, in Britain being broken. Corbyn of course will mend it all. Spend, spend, spend? Ahem.

Sadly, he and Abbot can't do sums, and they too, if they ever were elected to government (perish the thought) will have to BUDGET, just as the present government,and every government before it has had to do. Either that or fleece every single working man and woman to line their coffers.

They will certaintly fleece the working men and women

The thinking of this Labour MP is obviously not in line with the thinking of his constituency; therefore they have through democracy decided to deselect him

In your own words Grandad (above). Chilling. Quite frightening.

There is only one way to think in the Labour Party now. There is no room for discussion or individual dissent or complaint. Do it at your peril and endanger your political career.

We all know Momentum is grooming future Labour candidates and none of them will be in any way moderate. They will all be from the far left.

This is why so many moderates haven't been speaking out about anything recently. None of the old guard have spoken out to support Corbyn. We hear from Watson, Abbot, Thornberry and McDonnell, those surrounding Corbyn and backing him. Where are Harman and Cooper or any of those who backed Blair?

They are remaining silent or they choose the Chris Leslie path.

It says so much about the present day Labour Party. It is determined to become left wing and extreme.

It's quite terrifying. No wonder they are recruiting loud, angry young revolutionary types and losing older Labour supporters in droves. It's a strange sort of socialism.

GG13 if you think 16 year old from a disadvantaged background is able to take a decision to enlist I totally disagree. Perhaps you don't appreciate the pressures these children are under. And I haven't been in barracks thank goodness but I have read the accounts veterans enlisted at 16 have written, I have seen the figures for the injuries these children receive when they become 18 and are sent to fight. I have read about the devastating effect leaving the forces has on these people who are effectively still functioning as a 16 year olds. I really don't understand how anyone can support the recruitment of children. We are the only country in Europe to still do this.
I suggest you read the Forces Watch report and find out what is really happening
www.forceswatch.net/content/last-ambush

I see one of their associates are The Quakers

trisher my AC enlisted at 16, has done A levels, got a first class degree. Worked through the ranks from the lowest of the low to Officer level.

Has served in Afghanistan, Bosnia, the Gulf has been attached to the UN peace keeping forces in several African Countries, has been in the forces for 29 years, please do not have the audacity to tell me to read about our armed forces!!

So you don't want to know about the service personnel who aren't so lucky GG13. You prefer to think everything is lovely. I would have thought the least you could do was to listen to their distress, but apparently you know better.

Day6, the thinking of the constituency was not brexit, privatisation, free universities, just ‘ loyalty to Corbyn’

This is frightening

GG13.....fine n dandy, but he is a trained killer? yes?

JC followers are being brainwashed that everyone and everything is failing or in crisis, well I feel sorry that you have such a distorted view of the UK.

I am proud to be a citizen of the UK and all it stands for.

I am turning of my iPad, opening a nice bottle of white wine and watching SCD, and I am making no apologies for doing so, wishing you all a very pleasant evening.

I am not sure that any of the parties survive close scrutiny.