Northern Ireland and Brexit

So what would actually happen with no deal? These are just some of the consequences:

Trade The UK would revert to World Trade Organisation rules on trade. While Britain would no longer be bound by EU rules, it would have to face the EU’s external tariffs.

The price of goods in shops for Britons could go up as businesses would have to place tariffs on goods imported from the EU.

Some British-made products may be rejected by the EU as new authorisation and certification might be required.

Manufacturers could move their operations to the EU to avoid delays in components coming across the border.

People The UK would be free to set its own controls on immigration by EU nationals and the bloc could do the same for Britons.

There could be long delays at borders if passport and customs checks are heightened. The fate of expats – there are 1.3 million Britons in EU countries and 3.7 million Europeans in Britain – in terms of their rights to live and work would be unclear.

Professionals working in the EU might find their qualifications are no longer recognised, meaning they are no longer able to practice.

Flights to the EU could be grounded as the necessary safety confirmations to cover both ends of the journey might not be in place.

Laws Relevant EU laws would be transferred over so there would be no black holes in Britain’s lawbook. Britain would no longer have to adhere to the rulings of the European Court of Justice but it would be bound to the European Court of Human Rights, a non-EU body.

Money The Government would not have to pay the annual £13 billion contribution to the EU budget. However Britain would lose out on some EU subsidies – the Common Agricultural Policy gives £3 billion to farmers.

The Irish border The issue of the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic would remain unresolved. While physical infrastructure has been vetoed, the border would become an external frontier for the EU in the event of a no deal Brexit. There would be pressure to enforce customs and immigration controls.

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-what-meaning-uk-leave-uk-consequences/

All this, because of some knuckleheads across a certain stretch of water...not La Manche.

I vote that we cut them adrift, so to speak and let them fight out their differences as they have since time immemorial.

I am shocked (perhaps too easily shocked) by the blatant racism of some leave voters on GN. I had hoped that the era of "Irish jokes" had long gone.

Sir Vince Cable, in his final speech to a LibDem conference as party leader targetted Northern Ireland Secretary Karen Bradley for criticism after a series of gaffes.

"It really is quite shocking that this Government is so lacking in talent that it employs a Secretary of State for Northern Ireland who says she doesn't understand sectarian voting patterns and then compounds this public declaration of ignorance with a blatantly and naively one-sided view of the killings in the Troubles," he will say.

The success of Brexit is now in the hands of a small group of MPs "Ms Bradley has revealed an ugly truth: that peace in Ireland matters less than peace in the Conservative Party."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sir-vince-cable-liberal-democrat-party-conference-brexit-european-union-karen-bradley-a8826661.html

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Is it was possible to "fix stupid" this brexit nonsense would have been killed off years ago.

The EU is a richmans club run by the wealthy elite. It bullies countries that don't do its bidding, traps those who want to leave taking its cue from the late USSR, cares little for ordinary people, no audited accounts, unlimited hidden expense accounts and quite frankly it stinks! If only we could get out of this odious organisation, but sadly our politicians are so duplicitous and self serving that any hope of that would seem well and truly scuppered. How depressing is that?!

That sounds like a quote from Vladimir Putin.

varian

GabriellaG as a law abiding British citizen of the UK living in Northern Ireland I resent your comments.

annep1
Resent all you like. I stand by my words.
Did I mention you, or was I referring to the troublemakers?
Unless you belong to one of those groups then I see no reason for your prickly attitude.
It's amusing to see people take on the mantle of faux indignation.
My ex lives between NI and another country and I'm absolutely certain that he wouldn't think my slings and arrows were aimed at him.

I think you’ll find that Britain has a great deal to answer for in the history of disputes in Ireland, both north and south. Not just the fault of “knuckleheads across the water”. We can’t just wash our hands of a dispute that was, historically, our making.

jabber well said
I enjoy your factual posts

all will be fine everyone, when we WTO on the 29th, not long now

I vote that we cut them adrift

Who is this aimed at GabriellaG

Crystaltipps is correct. Read your history.

I used to read this kind of stuff on facebook. I expected better from GN.

Gabriella wants to cut a lot of people adrift- first British expats living in EU, now the Irish - who is next. Remainers probably ;)

It is time to accept that there is NO solution to the Irish/NI border.

GrannyGravy13: 'Am I correct in thinking that Switzerland has no hard borders, is not in the EU but is part of Shengen.
There must be a similar solution for NI without shengen though.'

This is a myth- Switzerland has hard borders- which are soft ;) EG there is physical infrastructure, booths, barriers (which are normall opened) - the main posts are wo/manned 24/7- small one like ours round the corner from us- only a few hours a day at random. They are armed. Because of Schengen, they are not allowed to check your papers - unless, and it is a big 'unless' they have any doubt or suspicion (sp?) - in which case they can do more or less what they want- and keep you until they have checked everything on International registers, searched you, including very invasive searches, etc. What they can do anytime, is check the car for any goods, eg how much meat or stuff you have bought from abroad (in our case France). For lorries, they have to check at specific border posts for all the administrative stuff.

On top of that, all the minor roads are patrolled 24/7- including small ones in the woods, over the mountains- and they will stop anyone they consider 'suspicious'. And on top of that- they can set up temporary check posts in lay-bys along roads up to 30 kilometres from border- anytime, anywhere. Stop and check for goods- but anything else if they have any doubt at all. When I was still living in UK, I had to come urgently to see mum who was very poorly. Got to the border with a Hire Car, so they stopped me and asked for my passport and driving licence. He thought it was weird t have someone with a local accent with a British Passport and British Driving Licence- so I had to go into the office whilst he checked the International Register - I sat there quietly - until the other officer shouted at him 'what the hell are you doing, this is the daughter of my next door neighbours M. et Mme X. The youngster turned bright red and apologised profusely - and we had a giggle about it for years.

So soft ' I'd say no ;) and this certainly would NOT be acceptable on the Irish/NI border, for sure.

But even this would not be acceptable without full Schengen acceptance, which is based firmly on Free Movement of People. And the reason Switzerland is in a quandry since the Vote to limit immigration in Feb. 2014- and which has not been implemented as the Government realised the cost, in 1000s of ways, would be massive. Remind you of something?

A few years back, we had sil and bil from Surrey and daughter and her daughters over for Christmas- we were stopped at a lay-by about 12 km from border by a patrol. Young officer was a bit overkeen - and again- another officer shouted at him 'live her alone, it's our Jura' - again red face. Other officer came over to give us a big hug and kisses, and we were on our way (she had been twice to stay with us in UK as her BF was doing a 3 months English course with me).

Bizarrely enough, this popped up on my FB page just now.

Perhaps we need a bit of a reminder. I do wonder how many generations it will take. I got into real trouble with a NI relative recently when I said it would take 4 more generations before NI and Ireland could even consider uniting (most NI protestants will go crazy if you say 're-united' as they will claim that Ulster was always a separate entity).

www.facebook.com/Channel4/videos/257925298417950/

jura2
Was all that to show us how 'well recognised' you are in that area, because I can see no other reason for padding out the story with those 'leave her alone it's our jura ' bits, which are of no significance.
Border guards have a duty to investigate no matter who you are and the 'young' officers who decided to do so, obviously hadn't had a formal introduction.
Perhaps, in future, they will have a photo of you and all visiting family members, pinned to the office wall do that you are never stopped again.
I hope they get due punishment for having the temerity to interrupt your journey.
How very dare they.

do so

nfk is correct. I have lived in Northern Ireland and experienced the narrow-minded prejudice between Catholics and Protestants. They blame the British for their problems but it's really their own animosity towards each other. If all the Catholics left the North and migrated to the South, that would solve the problem. When I lived there, there was a proper border between the two and all vehicles were checked, but it didn't cause long delays. I'm sure it's much worse in Calais. The IRA are just looking for an excuse to start killing again.

Nothing like spectacularly missing the point of jura's post, GG54

Jura it should never have been partitioned but unfortunately it was and reuniting is not simple.
I think when people stop voting for extreme parties things will change. But it will take time.
As for now, I too see no solution to the border issue.

No Gabriella- I was not 'well recognised' in the area- when I was first stopped- that was the point. And neither was I the second time- when we still had a right hand drive car with a British sitcker but Swiss number plate - again, that was the point.
It was my parents who were 'well recognised' the first time- and just pure luck that one of the border guards had visited us in the UK. The point being that they can, and they will stop you and check you over.

rosieleah to use your fatuous argument- if all the Protestants in Ulster who declare they are British not Irish, went to live on the British mainland where their ancestors were shipped over from, then the problem would be solved. ( btw this is not what I am suggesting - just trying to show the weakness in the above argument)