No Deal and supply of medicines

How is Jura an “expert”?

I am sorry GillT57, I often agree with what you say and you are not usually contentious.

But I think you are wrong - this thread is designed to attack those who voted Brexit by using those with cancer, those with life-threatening allergies, those who have children in family with cancer etc.

I find using those with devastating illnesses to "take a pop" at Brexiteers in an almost gleeful fashion is despicable.

I hope this thread gets deleted.

The medication I HAVE to take daily, some does come from the EU, but we are in the 21st century and no country/trading block will/would block drug supplies.

No expert Maw- which is why I provided links from experts and based my comments on their warnings.

I do wonder how many now attacking me personally, have taken the time to watch the video in the title- or read the links re the opinion and concerns of experts?

Brexit has not happened yet- and we are all in a position to put pressure on the Government to ensure that whatever deal we are able to get from the EU, will ensure that those issues are taken care of and not ignored. And that we don't end up with a NO deal which, as the expert in the video clearly states- would make things much worse.

and as you say, certainly not 'mithering' (which Maw very rudely introduced), nor the time to 'chill'. Nope! Youve not even got that right either jura. I first introduced you to that word, on the Aldi thread, not Maw. You clearly loved the word because you've sprinkled it liberally across 3 other threads since then. It's even in the title of this thread. But you clearly don't understand it's meaning or you would never have used it in the context of cancer treatment and epilepsy. It isn't a rude word, at all. It's a synonym that you need; to use your words; Look It Up.

Yes, I understand the word-perfectly.

Have you watched the video and read the links?

No jura, I have no intention of feeding watching any video you post or clicking onto any links that you provide. If I did, that would require me to discuss my findings of that with you and, quite frankly, the way I feel about you right now, I don't want to engage in any further debate with you.

There is absolutely no need to discuss anything with me- at all, nor to debate or have any interaction.

But if you refuse to listen to the experts who are really concerned about post Brexit care of cancer patients, children or adult- you are not helping them at all. And that, sadly and tragically, seems to be the reality of most Brexiters here. Personal attack - and refuse to listen or read, what experts in any field has to say.

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Thank you- I hope this means you have watched., listened and read- but then chose not to respond to me. That is fine, totally fine. Now if you have not watched, listened or read - then, what can I say.

Just would like to thank the many who have contacted me to say how appalled they have been by the distortion and misuse of what I have written here- and the concerted personal attacks. Thank you.

Perhaps the many would be prepared to express their support openly on the thread.
#themanynotthefew

... and get attacked and insulted too? At this stage, what on earth would be the point?

Let's stick to medicines and other treatments. have you watched the video and read what the experts think. Do you often read the BMJ?

I have relatives who are senior NHS workers, hysteria is not part of their world.

We get it that some posters are anti Brexit - but please let's be calm about this situation, mass panic re medication, radiotherapy and chemotherapy are just media/political hype.

It’s not so much the factual opinions you are linking to or expressing Jura but the heavy handed, pompous, sensationalist and in this case entirely insensitive way you have expressed them, without any apparent recognition of how you have behaved.
It is clear that you never miss an opportunity to attack those you perceive as Leave voters, although I know for a fact that you do not have that information.
Haranguing and harassing them is not the way to persuade or debate successfully.
You omit to reply to reasonable enough questions, instead challenging those you “perceive” ( and again, you are way off beam in some cases) to come up with solutions which even the politicians cannot reach.
“Ergo, your argument must be right! “
Not necessarily. And working yourself up to a level of stress as you have even seen to do recently says more about you than about your cause.

Well maw I will stand up and be counted as one of those who think that the treatment of jura on this thread has been appalling. I cannot understand why she is being slated for quoting expert opinion about the very realistic risk of drug shortages after Brexit. The government themselves have discussed this possibility. In my opinion, there has been wilful misrepresentation of what has been said, I do not understand the motives behind this, other than a blinkered inability to accept any possible problems with Brexit. I wish you all good night and suggest better moods and discussions tomorrow

will not get their insulin, epipens or cancer therapy jura @ 17.11 13th October 2018

Gill57, I get what you're saying, but the above statement was given as fact. It is not a fact. It was a statement made by a Gransnetter in Switzerland, who has no more information about what will, and what will not, be available post Brexit. She has no more access to full facts than anyone else thus far. Her statement was made because she's getting increasingly frustrated and upset about Brexit, as many people are. What posters on here have taken issue with is her suggestion that another poster should "go and tell a mother, who is afraid that their kid will not get" the treatment that they require after Brexit. None of us, including jura have any idea which of us have children/grandchildren who are having cancer treatment right now and are terrified for their welfare and future. To use that fear, to bolster an argument, to gather support for something they want; is unacceptable and that is what has upset some posters on here to tonight.

My feeling exactly.
The language of the tabloids comes in for a lot of justified criticism. We do not need to resort to it too.

GillT57 although I usually respect your views, I will reiterate that I cannot agree with you.
As I read it, this thread was not started hoping for a serious discussion about the possibility of there being a medicine supply chain problem post-Brexit, with the hope that everything will be sorted out so that no patient will suffer.

Read the first four posts and others made by jura on the thread - to me they read like a taunting message to those who voted Brexit with the message 'see what you have wrought and how you are denying sick people, those with cancer, children with cancer, their medication'.

That to me is hysterical, sick and quite disturbing.

I've listened to the links. And you probably do not know, with a few exceptions, what people voted in the referendum.

a good night.
but I will not change my view about what I perceive as the purpose of this thread.

jura wasn't giving her opinion, she was providing the links to articles which quote organisations and individuals involved in medical matters inwho believe there will be problems re medical supplies and treatments.

Rather than shout her down, claiming she is "sick" for quoting the fears of some oncologists and other medical personnel, why not present evidence that says otherwise? Or is the "stick fingers in ears/close eyes tightly shut/Keep Calm and Carry On" approach the only one that committed leavers can muster?

will not get their insulin, epipens or cancer therapy

So, Eloethan, that statement is fact is it? Absolute fact? It's not a fear? It's not a possible outcome? It's a fact?

And for the record, I am NOT a "committed leaver".

Chewbacca, the fact I am in Switzerland makes no difference whatsoever. Because I can research the issues from here as well as you can from there- from the Internet, the Press and the BMJ.

As for 'is it fact' and 'not a fear' - how dare you ask the question after writing the following yesterday:

'No jura, I have no intention of feeding watching any video you post or clicking onto any links that you provide. ' If you did, you'd find out that they are very serious concerns from the medical and pharmaceutical experts- not from the top of my head.

You should perhaps have the courage to go and tell mothers afraid their kid will not get their insulin, epipens or cancer therapy to chill- please do if you are brave enough. shock

How many more times must it be said that it was not the link to factual information and comment which has been at issue, but this crass sentiment, insensitively expressed and clearly designed to shock that many people took objection to.