Peoples' Vote March Saturday 20th October

The last march was estimated as between 300,000 and 400,000 strong, reported (at the end of the BBC news) as 100,000.

I wonder how many would have to march on Saturday before the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation would report it at the head of the news, if at all - 500, 000, 750,000 -one million????

ah, but a handful of 'Respect Brexit' turn up and they are all over the news.

Oh I so wish I could be there.

And, actually, I am beginning to believe we do not want to be dictated to by the likes of Barnier and Tusk and will be better off without them.

We are not being dictated to by Barnier and Tusk, Kitty. Barnier is negotiating according to the remit given to him by the EU 27. They do not want the integrity of the Single Market to be broached. That is their Red Line and they aren't going to be moved. May has tried that, sending Ministers running round to the individual states to try and get them on side with us, and it didn't succeed.

Anyone would think the we were being pushed out of the EU against our will. We aren't. The UK voted to Leave and has chosen not to make it easy. We could have gone for rejoining EFTA and staying in the EEA but our manic PM won't have anything to do with the most obviously least painful option.

Well, I just hope it all goes peacefully as I’m dog sitting whilst my DD and GD travel up by train from Cornwall

I hope it is peacful as six of my family will be marching.

Jalimall ref. your post of 15.18 today I did wonder at the time if the reference to Senseless was directed at me, my user name being Smileless.

I chose to ignore it as it's intelligent debate that interests me rather than infantile remarks.

I agree Mazie that we are not being pushed out of the EU against our will but disagree that we are not making it easy.

I agree with Kitty; we are being dictated to by Barnier and Tusk. It's like going into a building with two doors, one marked enter and the other marked exit, only the exit has been blocked because no one thought an EU member would wish to make use of it.

If you leave a club, you leave, but you can't expect to keep enjoying the benefits of membership.

If I'd thought the 'benefits' of being a member of the EU club out weighed the negatives I wouldn't have voted to leave varian and I'm sure that goes for all who voted leave.

Add comment | Report | Private message jura2 Tue 16-Oct-18 21:41:09
Senseless, you should reconsider now that you are aware of some of the dreadful consequences, as highlighted by experts in so many fields

Oops, see what you mean Smileless! .

Jalimall ref. your post of 15.18 today I did wonder at the time if the reference to Senseless was directed at me, my user name being Smileless

Not Jalima’s “boo boo” though

MawBroomexactly. I seem to make the mistake when posting on GN that I'm always corresponding with those who have a degree of maturity.

My sincere apologies *Jalimallmy post of 19.56 was to jura. Thank you for pointing out my error MawBroon.

Oh my, no, not at all-

Senseless was directed at me, my user name being Smileless.

I meant that the comment was senseless, not the person! I should have put a '!' in between- but never imagined it could be read as you did. Looking at it now- I can see how you might. But the adjective was for the statement.

It's like going into a building with two doors, one marked enter and the other marked exit, only the exit has been blocked because no one thought an EU member would wish to make use of it.

The reason that it's difficult is because we had no plan at all for how to achieve what we wanted to do (i.e leave the EU) and even if we had had a plan it should have been in place before A50 was invoked. We should have known from the length of time that it took Greenland, a far smaller country, with no complex trading arrangements, to leave the then EEC that the process would be lengthy and complex and we should have planned accordingly. We should have had a plan before the referendum (like Scotland did before their referendum on leaving the Union of the UK) but our thoughtless tory government did nothing of the sort.

It's not the EU that is making leaving hard. It's our own ridiculous lack of preparedness and subsequent hasty actions.

The trouble with the referendum was that no-one knew what they were voting for.

Perhaps we should have been better informed.

We need to take responsibility for this now.

We've had the opportunity to vote. Some of us don't like the result.

Tough. It's done and dusted.

That's democracy.

And many of us will disagree, and say that democracy requires a second vote, on the final deal, with all the information as to consequences. And we will continue to fight for it, in so many ways.

Did you vote in the referendum, jura?

I need this explained to me.

If people were allegedly too stupid to know what they were voting for in the referendum and therefore did not vote 'properly' how are they going to know what they will be voting for if they are given a final say on the Brexit Deal?

They could meet Alan Partridge though

Add comment | Report | Private message merlotgran Wed 17-Oct-18 23:05:04
Did you vote in the referendum, jura

Second time you’ve asked that merlot
Maybe third time lucky? ?

If people were allegedly too stupid to know what they were voting for in the referendum and therefore did not vote 'properly' how are they going to know what they will be voting for if they are given a final say on the Brexit Deal?

There is a very big difference between being stupid and being ill informed, Jalima.

Jalima you've put your finger on the real problem. The future of the country is being decided by people with no specialist knowledge of trade, finance, economics, or research and even with full details of the final agreement a lot of people will still be going on gut feelings. It's not a case of being stupid, it's the fact that most people don't have in depth experience in all these different fields. That's why we are usually governed by politicians not referenda.

Second time you’ve asked that merlot
Maybe third time lucky? ?

Why on earth are you hounding jura about whether or not she voted?

Simple enough question?

It's not a case of being stupid, it's the fact that most people don't have in depth experience in all these different fields.

I think that we have been painfully discovering that politicians don't have that, either. It is usual for politicians in government office to take advice from a whole range of experts in whatever field their brief lies, as well as listen to their civil servants. This seems to have gone by the board in the matter of Brexit.