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Peoples' Vote March Saturday 20th October

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varian Tue 16-Oct-18 13:19:31

In June, more than 100,000 people from all walks of life marched on Parliament to demand their democratic voice is heard.

A crisis is coming this Autumn when MPs will have to decide whether to make our country poorer, trash our vital public services and wreck the life chances of the young or give us all a People’s Vote on any Brexit deal.

So we are planning an even bigger march, this time led by young people whose voices were ignored two years ago, that will make political leaders sit up and take notice.

The People’s Vote March For The Future will be the most important protest of our generation.

www.peoples-vote.uk/march

kittylester Wed 17-Oct-18 13:01:54

jura - I would be grateful if you would explain your comment to me. TIA!

lemongrove Wed 17-Oct-18 13:04:13

Seems I have hit a nerve with you jura was it saying how melodramatic you are? wink

For some people who think that leaving the EU will affect the pound and therefore their pocket, who perhaps have second homes in EU countries and fear longer airport queues, may I say this.... The UK having full control over it’s own decisions including ( but not only ) immigration, and leaving what is a huge floundering empire which wants only the euro to be used and it’s own army at the very least, and is run by Germany and France, is far more important than any inconveniences to be felt by some.
Eventually like all empires, it will tumble.We will be well out if it.

jura2 Wed 17-Oct-18 13:19:34

Apologies kitty, must have erased the answer as I copied and pasted.

I did answer, and even before you asked (at 10.09.50) - at 10.08.39.

Still awaiting for your comment re 'hmm' with regard to my husband's Britishness. Or should I allow this to fizzle out.

lemongrove- 'inconvenience' really? And you say I am unfair in raising fears - and you call it 'inconvenience'. We have talked about international haulage, most of our essential utilities being owned by EU or others, about the availability of drugs and cancer treatment- and so much more. And you call this 'inconvenience' - and reduce this to second homes owners and queues at airports.

There are no words. And what if it is the UK that tumbles, as is much more likely to be the case in the current scenario.

lemongrove Wed 17-Oct-18 13:29:20

jura I have noticed you often say ‘ there are no words’ and usually when you have just used many of them.

lemongrove Wed 17-Oct-18 13:31:36

There is also a big difference between worries of how things will pan out, and outright and outrageous scaremongering.

jura2 Wed 17-Oct-18 13:39:23

Yes, I am fully aware of the difference.

Which is why I have not discussed my opinion on those very important matters, nor the opinion of anyone else- but the warnings and forecast of the consequences, based on FACT, as given by experts who know- much better than me, and much better than you, even.

There are no words- is a very restrained way of not being extremely rude. It helps.

Nonnie Wed 17-Oct-18 13:52:08

Lemon the vote has impacted on the pound, let alone what may happen when we leave. The dollar was 1.62 to the pound before the vote, has gone as low as 1.21 and is now around 1.32.

I have put this in threads before and no one has commented, in fact I think it closed one thread down.

No one has yet commented on my earlier post about the 70 countries we have trade deals with as part of the EU and what will happen if we are no longer part of it.

tinaf1 Wed 17-Oct-18 14:02:28

Well you have just been rude and sarcastic to me Jura and no I cannot help you move on that's why I make my mind up and cast my democratic vote for some one who I think will make this a better place for me and my children and grandchildren but if the vote doesn't go the way I hope I move on

kittylester Wed 17-Oct-18 14:08:10

I am more bewildered than ever jura. Please explain! Where have I posted about your Husband's britishness? What are you expecting me to say to 'hmm'?

I was at my GPS surgery at 10.09

jura2 Wed 17-Oct-18 14:28:45

oh it was days ago - and I just can't be a's'ked anymore.

jura2 Wed 17-Oct-18 14:32:11

tinafl- how can my polite response at 18.24. be considered as 'rude to you'- in any way, shape or form?

tinaf1 Wed 17-Oct-18 15:15:07

Because you was asking me to solve the problems of which you knew I could not, albeit in a passive aggressive sarcastic manner
Do you know the answer to the Irish Border etc,because I'm pretty sure I don't, but I do know when someone is being rude and sarcastic to me.

Jalima1108 Wed 17-Oct-18 15:18:45

Stop being so rude grin
I think calling a poster Senseless is rather rude myself.
Or perhaps that was a group of posters.

kittylester Wed 17-Oct-18 15:20:51

jura, I don't care whether you can be arsed or not! You have been rude to me about a post I am supposed to have made. I would like an explanation.

Jalima1108 Wed 17-Oct-18 15:37:09

In the interests of fairness I have scoured the thread to find your post kittylester and can confirm that it is nowhere to be seen.

kittylester Wed 17-Oct-18 15:51:44

Thank you, jalima, i thought I'd lost the plot!

jura?

merlotgran Wed 17-Oct-18 16:18:09

Reading this thread has reminded me that The Apprentice is on tonight. grin

#nothinglikeagoodscrap

jura2 Wed 17-Oct-18 16:19:48

Sorry, been out working in the garden, as I was getting a bit cross.

And yes, hand up and a massive apology to you, Kitty - as it was of course Maw who made the comment re British'ness'- and not you at all- and I have been waiting for days for her explanation.

I am very sorry.

kittylester Wed 17-Oct-18 16:28:50

Thank you jura.

Jalima1108 Wed 17-Oct-18 16:39:49

Are they all numpties again merlotgran?
Britain's future

MaizieD Wed 17-Oct-18 17:08:25

I think calling a poster Senseless is rather rude myself.

I thought that was an error, not an intentional insult. But of course, what one sees depends very much on whether one is looking for a fight or is trying to move on a discussion which has become bad tempered.

I can't see how jura was rude and sarcastic to tinafl either. But if one is determined to take offence then I suppose that any excuse will do.

lemongrove Wed 17-Oct-18 17:27:38

‘I thought that was an error’ hmm we will never know.

I do wish posters would stop asking others ‘what would you do to solve the Irish border problem’ or anything else that only the government can sort out.It’s pointless and silly to ask.
Certainly MaizieD.....your very last sentence ‘but if one is etc’ I can agree with that! grin

kittylester Wed 17-Oct-18 17:33:49

jura, seriously, is it worth getting so cross about? What exactly do you expect us to do to stop what is happening. The people chose (wrongly in my opinion) but we are where we are!

And, actually, I am beginning to believe we do not want to be dictated to by the likes of Barnier and Tusk and will be better off without them.

They are just running scared that, if we go, lots of other countries will follow suit and they will be unable to continue on their particular gravy train.

And, I voted remain (and do vote Tory!)

jura2 Wed 17-Oct-18 18:08:51

Insist on a vote ont he final deal - as said so many, many times- once we know a) what the deal is or 'no deal' and b) what the consequences are. That is the only truly democratical thing to do.

And I really do not want for the UK to become the 52nd State of the USA either.

varian Wed 17-Oct-18 18:57:40

Let's just forget this "will of the people" lie. OK slightly more voted for leaving than remian, but did they vote for our country to be weaker and poorer?