Peoples' Vote March Saturday 20th October

Today’s protest is being heralded as the largest Brexit demonstration yet as 570,000 people come together for the people’s vote march, according to the organisers.

The People’s Vote campaign has had stewards stationed at regular intervals to estimate the size of the vast crowd that backed up Park Lane and spilled into Hyde Park before setting off towards Piccadilly and a mass rally in Parliament Square.“Shortly after midday the sheer weight of number forced the closure of not only the southbound but also the northbound carriage way of Park Lane as the size of the crowd soared far above the massive march for a People’s Vote in June this year,” said a spokesperson.

“This makes it the second biggest demonstration this century behind the 1 million estimated to have protested against the Iraq War in 2003.”

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2018/oct/20/peoples-vote-march-london-second-referendum-brexit-live

There is now a realisation that the Stop the War March should not have been ignored by the Blair Government. The UK participation in the Iraq war was a tragic mistake.

Theresa May should learn the lesson of history and acknowledge that an even greater disaster could be averted by a People's Vote allowing a choice between her deal (if she gets one) and Remaining in the EU or, if she cannot achieve the deal she wants, it should be a choice between no-deal and Remaining in the EU.

No Annie the BBC should start to act responsibly and stop spinning a spurious "balance" between facts, evidence and expert opinion on the Remain side and the lies and fantasies of the brexiters. They are not equivalent and should never have been treated as such.

More than half a million people marching in London is more important and more newsworthy that a few leave extremists turning up in Harrogate to listen to Farage.

Can’t agree with you varian, both are of equal importance , you think the march in London of more importance because of the numbers , yet you refuse to accept the vote to leave had the higher numbers

Sorry Annie but this is about democracy - a chance for an informed vote to take priority over an opinion poll.

I think the point about the march in London is that there are so many young people on it. Their right to be heard on the future of the country seems pretty important to me. Political parties might want to pay attention to potential voters too!

Can’t agree with you varian, both are of equal importance , you think the march in London of more importance because of the numbers , yet you refuse to accept the vote to leave had the higher numbers
Numbers only matter when they suit the agenda by the sounds of it Anniebach

No humtydumpty this is about an attempt to undermine a democratic vote by referring it to as an opinion poll because you don't like the result.

Not being old enough to vote on a particular issue is a fact of life. I didn't vote on our membership of the Common Market because I wasn't old enough.

The country wasn't given the opportunity to vote on the Iraq war but was given the opportunity to vote on whether or not to remain in the EU. It's like comparing apples with pears.

Crowd size estimates have been revised up from 570,000 to 670,000 - 670,000 people demanding a #PeoplesVote on the Brexit deal.

twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1053645851560738816/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1053645851560738816&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fuk-news%2Flive%2F2018%2Foct%2F20%2Fpeoples-vote-march-london-second-referendum-brexit-live

Three days ago 'Save Brexit' protestors outside Downing Street, London, ahead of a Cabinet meeting. The pro-Brexit protesters were chanting “bin the backstop” outside Downing Street as the urged Theresa May to “chuck Chequers”.

Amazingly the protest of just a DOZEN people received coverage on the major news channels. One protester told the BBC: “She’s wasted time, we just have to get out and get out now.”

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/brexit-protest-at-downing-street-london-fails-to-attract-big-numbers-1-5740799

570,000 or 670,000 or even 1 million is still small in comparison to the 17.4 million who voted leave.

If the brexiters are so convinced that, after the last two years of chaos and the dire warnings we have had about the impossibility of the leavers lies and promises ever happening, the majority would vote for brexit at any costs, why not have a public vote on the deal?

Asked so many times and always answered varian. If you were honest you'd say that you don't want a vote on the final deal. Whatever the final deal maybe, you'd vote against it because what you want is to overturn the referendum result by refusing any deal so that we remain in the EU.

Typical EU centric behaviour, if you don`t like the result of the vote, demand it is done again until you get the "correct" answer.

That would be my vote because it is quite plain that we will never get such a good deal as we have. Others would be able to compare the advantages and disadvantages as explained and come to their own conclusions.

Can you honestly say you voted for the UK to be so much weaker and poorer, let alone for the projected armageddon of no-deal? If you actually voted for that, I'm horrified.

Is it because remainers are pessimists and leavers are optimists?

A final vote on the final deal is needed so that people can vote knowing in much more detail what leaving would actually entail. In everyday life, you might have an idea to take a particular action but if it is a life changing action surely you would prefer to know all the facts before you make the final decision. I would, and I am sure most remainers would, accept a decision made with all the relevant information. That is democracy.

I really can't see how a vote on the final deal could be of value.

Those who are adamant we should remain will vote against it as they wish to stay in the EU; those who are adamant we should leave will vote against it because it will probably be too much of a compromise for them.

Those who considered their vote very carefully in the first place will consider very carefully again.
Those who, according to posters on here, did not understand the implications may still not understand the implications. If there are such voters, of course.

The result will be meaningless on several different levels.

Why would a club want to allow a member who was not renewing membership to pick and choose parts of the benefits of being a full member. If we are leaving..then do not expect the people being rejected to beg you to stay or let you keep the ball!

Those also of course not interested in thinking about or considering implications, just doing the fashionable metropolitan thing.
Which is unfortunate for the remainers who have given it due consideration and thought.
There are arguments on either side, both the excellent and the ridiculous, but the referendum has taken place and the result is being acted upon as promised.
Even if remainer May is doing her utmost to thwart Brexit. the chanting of 4.1% of those who voted to remain and lost will not alter the course of anything other than the traffic through London.

Why would a club want to allow a member who was not renewing membership to pick and choose parts of the benefits of being a full member.
Perhaps because they may allow a pik 'n' mix of anything which could be beneficial to the remaining EU countries?

As it is taking a while I perhaps there is not much we have to offer ! I want the best deal, bearing in mind I would have preferred to have negotited change as a club member !

But it isn't democracy if remainers vote against a final deal, regardless of how good it is, to keep us in the EU nandalot. varian has stated that's what she would do and how many remainers will do the same?

I am always bemused as to why Leavers object so strongly to another vote based on the nature of any deal (or no deal if that's what comes) - if they are so sure, as you seem to be smileless, that the outcome will be the same, why do you feel threatened?

The referendum result was not exactly a landslide in favour of leaving so certainly not a green light for a hard Brexit. If " the will of the people" is to be reflected then the 48% plus who prefered remain cannot be ignored.

If it could be conclusively demonstrated to me that this "deal" which we were being offered was acceptable to the EU27, and without any doubt better than the deal we presently enjoy as EU members, then I would support it.

Anything is is possible. Pigs might start to fly across the sky.

"The fashionable metropolitan thing"?
Don't write this protest off so glibly!
Tell it to the vast majority of Scots who voted to remain.