Peoples' Vote March Saturday 20th October

Besides people travelling from the Continent people also travelled from Orkney and Cornwall - so very inclusive.

No matter what the final outcome of Brexit is there's going to be very unhappy people on one side or the other. Its a total no win situation.

I've never said that if there were another vote the outcome would be the same humptydumpty. I don't have a crystal ball any more than you do.

I wouldn't be at all surprised though that if it were, another vote would be called for. Then another, and another.

You are absolutely right, Jane10.

People's Vote march: '700,000' rally for new Brexit referendum– as it happened

On the BBC News it was at first reported as "more than 600,000, but later described as "more than half a million". What's the betting that by tomorrow it will be described as "more than 100, 000 or "more than 10, 000 or "more than 1,000" - if it is mentiones

if it is mentioned at all.

BBC ran it first followed by the leavers march varian

Leavers march? Where? When? How many people did that involve?

Sadiq Khan says that young people 'weren't heard' in 2016 but a lot of today's students (two of my DGCs included) weren't old enough to vote then and a lot that were didn't bother. Does this mean that young people who voted leave don't count?

I'm not an uncompromising leaver. I found it hard to decide which way to vote but some of the arguments put forward for a second referendum are unfair.

Just got home after an exhausting 2 day trip to London to take part in the Peoples vote March. People of all political persuasions were marching together in unity against something they feel very strongly about. Such a lovely atmosphere, young and old together. My Grandchildren will hopefully be proud of what I did today.

Good for you, Dyffryn. I was with you all in spirit; if only I was more mobile I'd have marched with you.

Protests, marches, sit-ins, blockades, placard holders - I suspect quite a few of my generation were active regarding causes they believed in. My children and grandchildren will in future also march. Two of my children protested recently, one with regard to fracking and another on the Peoples Vote march.

Having been there, done that I am not sure many protests make people sit up and take notice long term.

March to over turn a democratic vote? To vote again? Not sure that resonated with the majority of the UK population to be honest, but I am glad the right to protest exists.

Some Twitter perspective regarding the march.

Wow!
99% of UK population didn't bother
93% of London didn't bother
700,000!
So for every 1 of you, 33 people voted leave!

Surely the point is, "Could leavers mobilise 700,000 marchers?".

For each of the 700000 on the protest (our democratic right!) there will have been at least 3 others, if not more, whho like me were unable to be there. We know that well over 48% of the population would prefer to remain. The referendum was not a landslide for leaving. It was a divided vote that really did not give a green light to government to invoke Article 50.

I also don't understand how people can look at all those young people on the march, see the weight of the opinion polls for being in the EU (c80+% remain in under 25s) and think the voters of the near future would chose to stay out.
In the meantime the country will suffer enormous unecessary cost, economic hardship, reputational loss and the possible break-up of the United Kingdom.

And if they suddenly vote to stay in incalculable financial costs and massive loss of reputation and potential break up also ensue as well as having trampled over democratic principles. Moral minefield. We're in a hole. Time to stop digging. Get out of it and get going.

Well said, Jane10. If there has to be a people's vote referendum every time we face a major challenge, what on earth are we paying the politicians to do?

And as for voting on the final deal....If and when TM gets a deal we need to get on with it rather than muddy the waters.

At general elections there are seats won by just about one or two hundred votes, should these constituencies hold another ballot ?

So the UK leaves, the mandate of the 2016 referendum is discharged and the people then vote for a party that will ask to be readmitted to the EU under Article 49.
I would be happy with that.

Only the Libs want to remain

We would never be able to rejoin the EU on the advantagous terms we now enjoy- not in the Euro or Schengen and benefiting from a rebate.

The 3rd biggest party in the HoC also want to remain!

Of course not Varian (though I am not sure about the euro and Schengen) but better than the alternative. I suspect that a centre party will emerge which is not based on any of the existing parties. There are plenty of moderate Labour and Tory MPs who may be looking for a new home. I think it might be a new party or a coalition of some sort. I certainly don't see the existing Tory party surviving this.
What I think is more likely to happen in terms of leaving is that a deal slinks over the line at the last minute and Brexit in name only lasts for a few years in an extended transition until the UK goes back in, possibly via EEA / EFTA.
I think David Allen Green said the UK would take 5 years to try and get out and 5 years to get back in again.

I agree that a more centrist party will emerge. I suspect that some sort of fudge brexit will happen and we'll have to make the best of it. It won't be terrific but it might, possibly, just, be OK (and no more than that!)
I'd hate there to be a vote on brexit terms as there will be no agreement at all and we'll just go round and round (and down) again. Just get on with it and deal with the consequences as they arise.