Peoples' Vote March Saturday 20th October

At least in a general election you can have another vote in five years time. This mess looks like with transitional arrangements just dragging on , costing more, and getting nowhere and pleasing only a small minority.

This thread was statred on Mumsnet late on Sunday night. So far it has run to 135 posts (six pages). Surely that shows how much more strongly the Mumsnetters feel about this question, even those who did not go on the march and oppose a People's Vote. It puts us "couldn't care less" Gransnetters to shame.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3401745-People-s-Vote-Delusion?pg=6

two words......majority and democracy xx out out out

I see you are new to GN andycameron69 so you may not realise that your spurious comment has already been well and truly discredited.

Democrats would never oppose a People's vote - an informed vote when the terms and likely consequences of "the deal" or the even worse "no deal" are explained for the first time.

People in the U.K. would vote to remain in the European Union if they were given a second in-out referendum, according to a survey of public opinion across the bloc.

In a Eurobarometer survey, involving around 1,000 people in each of the bloc’s 28 countries last month, 53 percent of respondents in the U.K. said they would back Remain and 35 percent Leave (with 12 percent undecided).

Asked whether Britain had made the right choice in voting to leave in the June 2016 referendum, 54 percent of U.K. respondents said no, with 38 percent saying yes. In the referendum, 52 percent voted to leave the EU, with 48 percent voting to remain.

Across the EU, two-thirds of citizens (66 percent) said they would vote for their country to remain in the EU, against 17 percent wanting to leave.

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-second-referendum-remain-would-win-eu-survey-shows/

varian I am absolutely in agreement with you about the need for a second vote, but just wanted to comment on your observation regarding mumsnet - may it not be the case simply that there are far more members than there are of gransnet thus producing so many more pages?

^I see you are new to GN andycameron69 so you may not realise that your spurious comment has already been well and truly discredited.
varian but andycameron is allowed to express his or her views, just as you are.

It would not be right to allow one set of views to dominate all the Brexit threads and shut down debate.

It is certainly true humptydumpty that Mumsnet has a much larger membership than Granset, but it is still very striking how much more engaged Mnetters are in the whole brexit debate, how well informed they are, how concerned for their children's future and how few Mnetters seem to support leaving the EU.

Yesterday I had a very interesting conversation with a young French man - a specialist nurse. He had a very good knowledge about U.K. politics understanding how the Govt worked etc and he knew all about the March last weekend. He was also aware of the repercussions Britain would suffer if the left the EU - he could not understand the decision at all and thought the loss of free movement was a big downside.

Zoe Williams, writes "It’s becoming ever clearer that Brexit is a far-right project. No wonder so many people are taking to the streets"

So was the People’s Vote march really a game-changer, and, if so, how much of the game did it change? Certainly, it was large: an estimated 700,000 people, the “second-best attended demonstration of the century,” organisers said. The prize stays, of course, with the march against the Iraq war in 2003, which looms like a cloud, ready to rain on every subsequent parade: if a million people can’t change an outcome, why should any government react to any fewer?

This centrist dad marched for a people’s vote – but that’s only the first step
Andrew Adonis
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And yet Saturday’s demonstration changed the weather, knocking sideways the now prevailing idea that leavers are angry and determined, while everyone else only wishes for a competent person to just sort Brexit out so we can stop talking about it.

Remainers are also angry and determined; also patriotic; and more convinced than ever that there is no available Brexit, on paper or in anyone’s wildest dreams, that delivers to their country anything but hardship, disempowerment and hassle, in varying proportions.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/22/peoples-vote-march-leavers-angry-patriotic-brexit-far-right

We joined the march last Saturday just after 1pm on Park Lane and in 20 minutes we had not moved even 100 metres as there were so many people. We sat on the grass and ate our picnic lunch and rejoined at the very end in front of the police vans and a quad bike with two paramedics on board. We had an interesting talk with the paramedics who had been busy all day. Again progress was slow so we left the march and went along the back streets to Piccadilly where we rejoined the march which was making good progress. We walked down St James Street, Pall Mall (where I worked 40 years ago) and across Trafalgar Square. Whitehall was still busy at 4pm so we gave up once we were past the Ministry of Defence. Everyone was good-humoured and polite. Some were very vocal and some of the protest boards were very entertaining. A wave of cheers spread along the crowds every 20 minutes or so. I have never been on a protest before and it was a good experience even though I did not hear any of the speakers or get to Westminster.

Congratulations chocolatepudding Well done!

MSPs have voted to express their "unequivocal support" for a referendum on the final terms of Brexit.

Holyrood voted by 65 to 30 in favour of such a move during a debate about the impact of leaving the EU.

SNP, Green and Lib Dem MSPs were joined by two Scottish Labour members in the vote, while the bulk of the Labour group abstained.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46124611

What is wrong with the representatives of the Labour Party who do not represent Labour voters or Labour Party members, the majority of whom want a People's vote and support the UK remaining in the EU?

Varian what will you do with yourself when we leave the EU next March?
Vince Cable should award you a medal for dogged persistence over and above the call of Lib Dem duty.

I have a life, for which I am very grateful, but like all British people, my future, and that of my children and grandchildren, could change for the worse if the nightmare that is brexit was ever permitted to happen.

If you don't care for you future, your children and grandchildren's future and the future of all our fellow countrymen, , then shame on you.

Most Brexiteers don’t care about being poorer or job losses they view the world through the narrow Brexitspecs that all will be marvellous. They still believe the whole world is envious of us and don’t realise we are seen as self harming, arrogant and are being led by fools. I think there will be plenty to occupy commentators long after next March criticising whatever Dogs breakfast is served up by this current government. They have spent two years planning this fiasco and we still don’t know what flavour the fudge is going to be , whatever it is it will only please a very small minority of May supporters.

Varian

As a Lib Dem and fervent Remain campaigning poster can I ask why the Lib Dems changed their opinion over holding referendums concerning the EU ? Certainly not accepting the result.

Am I mistaken in thinking in 2008 the Lib Dems were so entrenched in it's anti view over the Lisbon Treaty the MP's walked out of Parliament with Ed Davey because they were refused an amendment for a debate calling for a referendum on Britain's continuing membership of the EU.

Fast forward only 8 years to the 2016 referendum and 10 years to the total U Turn by the Lib Dems in 2018 when it refuses to accept a result that would have once backed ' the then ' Lib Dem position something must have changed the Lib Dem position massively.

Did you follow the Lib Dem stance at that time or were you a fervent pro EU campaigner then and agreed with the UK signing the Lisbon Treaty ?

What were peoples reasons to exit ?

*Brilliant, POGS, just brilliant
I love it when poster remember this stuff.

Interesting speech from Raab yesterday is that he “hasn’t realised” how important the Dover - Calais route was to the U.K. economy. Gives so much confidence in our esteemed leaders.

It's called flip-flopping

It's probably why they are in the political doldrums, unfortunately.

*Brilliant, POGS, just brilliant grin
I love it when poster remember this stuff.

Do tell me just for how long political parties are obliged to hold on to policies they no longer support; 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, 100 years?

Perhaps if the Liberals (Lib Dems) had stuck to more of their principles they may have more supporters now MaizieD

I shan't waste my vote on them next time, which means I will probably not vote at all. Unless the MRLP have a candidate here.

or unless the LP ….
no, surely not, they wouldn't be that sensible

The Lib Dems are now slowly but surely slipping down the pan.