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Cabinet chaos?

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mcem Thu 15-Nov-18 10:08:26

First Dominic Raab, the Brexit Secretary and now Esther McVey from Work and Pensions.
Can you see a way out of the chaos we're witnessing?TM to address the HoC at 10.30.

oldbatty Thu 15-Nov-18 12:09:06

re attack. If the country is unstable it may be vulnerable to attack. I don't know. Probably talking rubbish.

sodapop Thu 15-Nov-18 12:22:19

Same old, same old. Everyone looking out for themselves as usual. DR is a traitor to his party and leader. TM is between a rock and hard place, of course there have been mistakes but I feel for her having no support from anyone but who amongst them will make a better job of it all.

Fennel Thu 15-Nov-18 12:26:49

"A bit of a cheek for Raab to resign from the draft deal that he negotiated!"
I guess this version had been prepared by the civil service ages ago as a last resort. You can't prepare a legal document that long in a few days.
The job of Raab and May etc is to try to sell it to the EU

maryeliza54 Thu 15-Nov-18 12:28:00

You don’t know me at all lemon in real life so just stfu with such stupid personal comments - I expect it’s tough for you being in the corner you painted yourself in with always supporting everything this government does and always posting that everything would work out wonderfully.

eazybee Thu 15-Nov-18 12:31:56

I admire the principles of the people who have resigned, three at present I believe. The point of Dominic Raab's resignation is that he did not negotiate this agreement; he was undermined by Mrs. May as was David Davies before him. Overnight the cabinet have had the chance to read properly the terms of the agreement, which they were only allowed to scan briefly under supervision, before it was removed.
Unfortunately the cabinet is haemorrhaging good people, speedily replaced by yes-men Remainers, which is what Mrs. May is, through and through. It is now becoming evident, despite her promises to the contrary, that her intention is to keep this country shackled to the EU, and negotiate a re-entry as soon as they are prepared to consider it. And she has an unshakeable conviction that she is doing the right thing.
A 'people's vote' will solve nothing; it is simply a delaying tactic and an avoidance of the issue. What is needed is a reconsideration of why so many people wanted to, and still want to, leave the EU, despite all the confusion, and why the EU is so intransigent in its refusal to consider the slightest compromise.

And once again, Maryeliza, you have to resort to swearing to reinforce your point. Plus the use of 'posh boy'. ( is your name actually Alan?) If so, you will know.

Grandad1943 Thu 15-Nov-18 12:32:23

I feel that the essential circumstance from the position the UK finds itself in now would be that it is essential that frictionless trade is maintained through the ports.

I do not believe that even the most ardent Brexetier foresaw the disaster that in every likelihood will fall on Britain's transport infrastructure without a customs agreement as they cast their votes.

Let's face it; as was so often stated throughout the referendum campaign by the leave campaign, a trade deal and customs agreement would be easily negotiated and achieved.

However, the twenty-seven other EU member states have maintained their allegiance to the Lisbon and Maastricht treaty rules, and that is the reason the British people find themselves facing the political impasse and supply disaster they see now.

lemongrove Thu 15-Nov-18 12:41:26

That’s true MaryE I don’t know you, but people who say
Shut the f.... up to other posters, generally aren’t the nicest.
This government has been between a rock and a hard place since T May took over ( what a job!) and things were always going to be divisive in Parliament once it became obvious they were not all going to work together for the best interests of the UK.It didn’t have to be that way....but that’s how it turned out.

maryeliza54 Thu 15-Nov-18 12:49:30

Oh just stfu - you made a comment about how I behave in rl - you have no bloody idea. As to your opinion of judging my ‘niceness’ on my use of stfu- well I guess that’s as informed as most of your posts on here

BlueBelle Thu 15-Nov-18 12:49:47

Another one bites the dust ... I m singing it ????

maryeliza54 Thu 15-Nov-18 12:52:02

EM is a good person eazy ? Well I’ve heard it all now - she lies in the House re UC and has been taken to task about this several times. Her resignation is the only ray of sunshine on this dark day.

lemongrove Thu 15-Nov-18 12:57:03

Yes, MaryE I rather think that my posts are informed and your replies simply prove it.
Shall we move on?

Anniebach Thu 15-Nov-18 13:06:12

Good grief, Corbyn even needed his questions and criticism written out for the house this morning

Grandad1943 Thu 15-Nov-18 13:43:47

Anniebach, good grief, Jeremy Corbyn gave what many in the media are stating was his best parliamentary performance since becoming Labour leader. So, he spoke from a pre-written text, but what is your problem with that as Theresa May did the same at the start of her address to the house.

In this crisis what people require is straightforward questions and answers written or not. In that, Jeremy Corbyn he was listened to in almost complete silence by the house, and in that atmosphere, I feel it demonstrated he was asking the right questions, in the right way.

mcem Thu 15-Nov-18 13:48:00

If you're griping about use of language and not being 'nice' let's have a look at how 'nice' TM is being.
Was it nice to ignore the NI issue until the 11th hour?
It was obvious from the outset that this was a volcano rumbling quietly but being largely ignored until it erupted, apparently surprising the short-sighted or blinkered!
Different arrangements may be made for NI/Eire
but Scotland can take whatever is handed out. Well that's not going well as she has now been accused of not listening, and despite all the wheeling and dealing and is losing the support of DUP!
Was it nice to consult Malta, Cyprus and the Isle of Man before the Scottish government had sight of the (laughingly-named) agreement? And then when questioned on this in the HoC saying, more or less, too bad. Scotland is part of the UK so you'll do as you're told!
Many in the country have tried to follow the advice to be nice and patient! Pie in the sky exposed?

Fennel Thu 15-Nov-18 13:51:47

Annie - as far as I know MPs always have their questions, written out for them in advance by their civil servants. The leader of the opposition is allowed 6 questions or followups ( I think.)
There could be spontaneous comments afterwards, but there's strict protocol, kept in check by the Speaker. Usually.

Anniebach Thu 15-Nov-18 14:18:58

No Fennel. MP’s do not have their questions written out for them, leaders of the oposition party in the past have usualy a sheet of paper with things like statistics noted, I cannot recall one who read their question word for word as Corbyn does

Grandad1943 Thu 15-Nov-18 14:22:05

Jacob Rees Mogg has put in a letter of "no confidence" in the Prime Minister with other Conservative MPs being reported as doing the same. So, these Tories believe that to take up a month of negotiation and parliamentary time while they sort out a new leader is quite frankly ridiculous. We leave the European Union on the 29th of March with no leave agreement as it stands at this point. Therefore, if a deal cannot be concluded, Britain crashes out with all the economic damage, supply chain problems and loss of jobs that will bring.

I believe that if this leadership contest takes place at this time the repercussions from the electorate will be totally unforgiving into the future for the Conserative party and parliamentary democracy in general

mcem Thu 15-Nov-18 14:22:19

Does it matter as long as he is asking relevant questions as he did today?
He was given the agreement in advance, presumably so he /they could makes notes, organise comments and ask appropriate questions.

Grandad1943 Thu 15-Nov-18 14:29:43

Anniebach, it's quite likely that Jeremy Corbyn has a disability problem in regard to his memory and like many that is why he writes much of what he wishes to state down to text.

Do you condemn him and the millions of others who suffer similar memory disabilities Anniebach. Surely it is how people with disabilities perform their duties not the disabilities that they have that should be judged.

Bridgeit Thu 15-Nov-18 14:56:00

Neither TM or JC are suitable to negotiate this deal.Time they both stepped aside , but the problem is that neither party have particularly spectacular alternative candidates to take over.

oldbatty Thu 15-Nov-18 14:56:50

God, I'm sorry but this is terrifying really. The chaos of it all.

oldbatty Thu 15-Nov-18 15:04:24

Gill, you were right. Boris makes his move.

Anniebach Thu 15-Nov-18 15:07:21

granddad1943, do not try playing the disability card with me to try to cause outrage.

If Corbyn does have as you suggest a disability problem with his memory then he is not suitable to be PM . Do you recall when interviewed on Woman’s Hour his aide had to bring him a calculator

youtu.be/svqpPHDaSaU

petra Thu 15-Nov-18 15:09:31

Oldbatty
Terrifying!!!
You've obviously led a charmed life where the word terrifying has real meaning.

oldbatty Thu 15-Nov-18 15:11:27

I have no idea what you mean.