Leavers’ views on the deal please.

The EU do trade deals with other countries where free movement is not a requirement like Canada. They can do it when they want to but say it is impossible for us.

But wait until next year when Italy goes ahead with their budget. That will really topple the applecart

Yes, Petrathis is the Italian budget in defiance of the EU, isn't it? It outlines the sway of Brussels, doesn't it? Italy is another country not happy with EU interference and pressure.

It's been pointed out, ha ha, that "populist" power is worrying - worrying that is, we must note, to (mainly) EU fans, who fail to see that populist uprisings are no more than people, ordinary people, totally fed up with what is being foist upon them. It isn't a dreadful right wing and nasty movement (as its detractors and the left wing press would have us believe) it a swell of feeling at ground level about what is happening to countries throughout Europe because of EU initiatives.

Most EU sceptics want to quell the overarching powers of Brussels bureaucrats. The rise of populism throughout Europe is a result of a backlash, a feeling that control is being lost, dare I say national identity (and the pride that comes with it) is being lost too.

It is a failed social experiment. Europe is NOT one happy melting pot of all sorts. It is a continent of many countries, each with their own ways, customs, traditions. National identity is important. Try telling the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish we are all the same. Patriotism is important - but it's a dirty word to many in favour of the EU. Look how some Scots want to be free of Westminster, England and the other parts of the UK. National pride forbids a foreign power making up the rules and regulations and we can see unrest in many parts of Europe - Germany, Italy, Spain, Norway, Poland and Sweden, to name but a few countries.

To be tied to Brussels for the foreseeable future and to allow the EU to continue to call so many shots in terms of how and when we trade, and who we trade with, once out of the EU, and to continue paying for this heavy yoke, is a farce.

It is a dreadful deal and one has to hope the majority of our serving MPs see it for what it is.

If this is the end of TM, so be it, as she seems to have been in bed with Barnier and Tusk all along. She has never used our clout, the power of our nation, our economy, to turn the tide. She has been on the back foot with a begging bowl from day one, it would seem.

If you truly believe it is worth all the division, hatred, expense, time taken, which could be spent on domestic issues such as health , social care, education, then no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise.

Oh, cristaltipps, you mean just like like the uprising of...what is it....^division, hatred, expense,time taken and anti EU protest and the rise of anti-EU feeling in many European countries like Germany, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Spain, etc, etc, etc...

We are the first of many countries to make a stand.

Trying to convince others anti EU feeling is a just a silly British trait just won't wash. Take your head out of the sand.

This idea that all other EU countries are gazing in envy at our present state is pie in the sky. In what way have these EU countries wasted their money on any anti EU policies? Yes there are complaints about some aspects of EU policies, but if you really believe they are queuing up to copy our political chaos then don’t hold your breath. The rightwing Italian coalition government have stated that they want more support from the Eu but have no intentions of leaving.

New Nanny.
I have no sympathy with the DUP they are the worst uncompromising extremists we have in the UK, if they allow free movement into NI in the way you suggest I can assure you ports of entry into mainland UK will have to be improved. At present on crossing the Irish Sea passports are carefully checked in that way, yes, there is a customs border now.
Fisheries will be negotiated away in favour of financial services, there will certainly be quota increases in some small areas but not large scale changes. If there was a big expansion owners would have to crew the boats with migrant labour, this is happening now, just like Vegetable picking UK workers will not do it. The Scots are making a big issue out of fisheries, the infrastructure has long gone and they will never find Scots crews.

If there is no deal there will be a lot of money to be made evading customs duty into the EU and ROI will do its best to control it but it will be a very " leaky" border.

Giving the EU a veto will mean a never ending wrangle, more that that the UK will have much worse terms than remaining as a full member. The leavers mantra has been " no deal is better than a bad deal" this is a very bad deal.

I have not heard anything about this deal that I am happy with. I voted leave, not to be tied to the EU rules and regulations for the foreseeable future.

I think it’s the best that T May and her team could get ( for so many reasons, not least the disastrous GE that she led.)
But realise this ( am sure many here do) that even this
Withdrawal agreement may not get through Parliament,
As vast swathes of Remainer MP’s will do anything to block us leaving and of course hard Brexiters won’t back it either.
In spite of Parliament agreeing a referendum and of triggering article 50, since then they have never got behind
The government to get the best for the UK and simply
Followed their own agendas.
If they carry on like this, we will be leaving without a deal.

The only possible thing that could happen is that the EU will agree some changes.....rather than have no deal at all.

It’s difficult to know exactly how good the deal is as there seems to be only vague indications of what’s covered. The best bit is that there is a deal, and the worst that there’s no date as to when exactly it will happen - if ever. But in the meantime we’ll be in and paying in without any say, but no real change there then.

The former Brexit secretary Dominic Raab has conceded Theresa May’s Brexit deal would be “even worse” than staying in the EU.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/23/dominic-raab-theresa-mays-deal-worse-than-staying-in-eu

Theresa May has been dealt a fresh blow after MPs forced the government to agree to publish analysis comparing the economic impact of her Brexit deal compared to staying in the EU.

The cross-party amendment was backed by more than 70 MPs from six political parties, including enough Conservative rebels to deprive Theresa May of her majority. Facing a certain defeat in the Commons, ministers caved and agreed to accept the motion.

It means that, before MPs vote on Ms May's Brexit deal, the government will have to publish Treasury analysis comparing the impact of the proposed agreement with the consequences of the alternative scenarios of a no-deal Brexit and remaining in the EU.

The Office for Budget Responsibility would also have to publish an independent assessment of the accuracy of the government's analysis. The information will have to be made available at least a week before MPs hold a "meaningful vote" on whether or not to accept Ms May's Brexit deal.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-leave-remain-analysis-eu-theresa-may-plan-draft-latest-ministers-a8642156.html

It is an utter disgrace that Theresa May did not want MP's to be aware of the true cost of brexit before voting on her deal. So much for her term "meaningful vote"! Do any leavers still seriously expect the analysis not to show that we will be far better off if we remain in the EU?

I voted Leave for what I consider to be very good reasons. Let's be honest, none of us really know what the outcome is going to be after March 2019, and how it will affect our economy or our nation in general. If we had voted Remain, we don't know how the EU would have progressed, and whether we would have eventually joined the Euro, joined a European Army and how our economy would have either prospered or suffered by being so closely connected to the less profitable countries than ours in the EU. I honestly believe the EU is now too big and the bigger, more successful economies will be constantly drained by bailing out the smaller, failing ones. I trust the UK to be able to take care of itself, it always has. But truthfully, NONE OF US KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS, and all of the doom-mongering and negativity, e.g. "crashing out" is ridiculous. Extreme language for those holding extreme views, just scare-mongering. Yes, I may be wrong, this decision may be a mistake, but staying in the EU as it currently stands may have been a mistake too, they didn't listen to Cameron when he tried to negotiate did they? None of us has a crystal ball, so let's just keep calm, carry on, and have faith in this great country of ours.

I don't think that staying in the EU was going to be as harmful as it will be now. I personally think that the EU are now going to display an awkwardness beyond reasoning if this deal is sealed and MP's are going to be in a far bigger turmoil than they are at present.
It's going to upset an awful lot of people.

I think some people believe that the EU is some faceless monolith forcing 27 countries to trade within them, in reality this Brexit nonsense has strengthened the 27 as they can see what a political disaster it is causing in the U.K.

I completely agree with what Opal has said.

Only one friend of mine voted Leave and that was because she believed that the fishing town where she grew up, and where she still has relatives in the industry, would benefit.
She now sees that the fishing industry could well be sacrificed for the sake of financial services deals.
She is utterly disgusted and would welcome the opportunity to change her vote as she and her fisherman cousins certainly won't get what they thought they were voting for.
I doubt that they're alone in feeling that way.

It's a stitch up. Theresa May has played a blinder making out she wanted to leave and we would get back control etc but she was plotting behind our backs and two of her brexit secretary's backs. I was taken in by her at first with all her promises but detest her now she is a liar and the most incompetent PM ever, how she can go to church every Sunday I do not know.

She's certainly managed to 'unite the country'! Everyone hates her 'deal'

Still, she's managed to put a stop to Freedom of Movement, which should please Leavers. But just wait until the French stop co-operating with us (as they will be free to do once we're no longer in the EU) over the border at Calais and let all the inhabitants of the 'Jungle' come flooding into the UK.

Well if no-one is checking any of the lorries etc there will certainly be an increase in illegal migrants. Theres been a lot taken off boats in the channel this week. I think most people would rather have legal migrants who come to do essential work in construction, health , social care etc.

I don't know why the border agency don't use CO2 detectors when the trucks are on the ferry.
You could check a lot of lorries in 2hrs.

Well stated OPAL, I agree with most of what you have said.

There is a huge difference between the uncertainty of remaining in the EU and any kind of brexit.

As full members of the EU, we have a seat at the table, a say, a vote, a veto on things which may be suggested that we don't like, such as an EU army or the admission of new countries.

If we were stupid enough to leave, we would become a "third country" .

We would have given up control.

Good post Opal

Ditto. Good post Opal.

Well, just for a bit of balance, I think it's a terrible post, Opal.