Parliament agreed, once in a lifetime,
Parliament did not agree. Just find me the bit in Hansard when the Referendum Bill was being debated and Parliament agreed that it was a once in a lifetime vote? There was nothing in the referendum bill that said this (I have read it), nor was there anything in the Act which parliament voted for.
David Cameron said it and he had absolutely no right, or power, to make this promise. The only body which could make it was Parliament and they DIDN'T do it.
Gransnet forums
News & politics
I predict.....
(466 Posts)Theresa May will lose the vote on Tuesday.
Do you agree?
And then what will happen next........let’s see whose prediction is the closest. Perhaps let this thread run about 2 weeks and see who got it right, or nearly right.
Declare a winner just before Christmas.
Over to you ?
Well Parliament certainly agreed to the terms of the referendum without a murmur and made no protest at D,C,s utterances. Parliament was certain remain would win and, like DC didn't see any reason to to be other than cavalier.
Have you actually read the referedum bill, nellie. There wasn't anything in it that was particularly contentious and Parliament believed David Liddington (and the House of Commons briefing paper) when he told them that the referendum was advisory when Salmond tried to get an amendment stipulating a super majority.
As far as I am aware there is no mechanism by which Parliament could have prevented Cameron making foolish promises off his own bat or various tory MPs repeating them.
What MPs do or say outside parliamentary sessions may have little or no connection with the 'will of Parliament'. The will of Parliament is contained in wording of the legislation they pass.
I realise that this will not stop people making this stupid claim about 'Parliament' promising 'once in a lifetime' but trying to expose the myth makes me feel better...
I would agree that the whole exercise was sloppy and ill thought out.
I predict that the vote will be lost and that parliament following the Grieve am3ndment will appoint some kind of cross-party body to carry on negotiating, that the 29 March deadline will be extended and things will drag on and on and at last the whole thing will slowly collapse.
I also predict right-wing rioting during the next few weeks.
And I predict that TM will remain a sort of puppet prime minister
I also predict right-wing rioting during the next few weeks.
On the same scale as the pro-Brexit demos we've seen in the past year? 
MaizieD
we leave with no deal at all
This from FullFacts.
The uk and the eu would still have a deal. An automatic deal under the all embracing WTO rules.
How? because the uk and the eu are both members in their own right and the WTO specifies wto members must offer each other most favoured nation deals
I predict that the vote will be won - just.
let’s see whose prediction is the closest.
About as close as the referendum result (only in reverse iyswim).
The arguments will continue however.
WTO specifies wto members must offer each other most favoured nation deals
But that would not be on the basis of the present 'deal'. Once we leave the trading bloc of the EU the deals we get as part of the EU trading bloc will will fall. Also all deals made with other countries by the EU will fall because they were made by the EU, not by us as an individual WTO member.
All we'll get is WTO tariffs. MFN rules only apply when countries are trading on WTO rules. EU can't give us worse treatment than any other third country they don't have trade deals with, but we won't get the deal we have now. No-one trades WTO if they can help it.
Anyway, let's hope that it's never put to the test..
Where has George Soros put his money?
I wouldn't predict, but I think Theresa may will pull the vote, because she is absolutely determined not to go.
She is hell-bent, not her own destruction, but on everybody else's because she is incapable of accepting that she is a disaster as a Prime Minister.
What I would like to see happen would be that she, Oliver Robbins and Philip Hammond (responsible for circulating all the disaster theories), superseded by a team of negotiators: Boris Johnson, David Davis and Dominic Raab, and a great deal of table thumping and slapping of papers, and an absolute refusal to leave until the deal WE want is negotiated.
But I can predict that won't happen.
^ and an absolute refusal to leave until the deal WE want is negotiated.^
Can you clarify this please, eazybee. Are you talking about some sort of 'lock in' where no-one leaves the room until everything is sorted?
Or are you suggesting that we don't leave the EU until we have a deal.
And, just as a matter of interest, what would 'we want' from a deal?
Nigglynelly I agree with every word you said !!
All those who have pledged their support of TM will stab her in the back and jockey for position to be her replacement.
We will all die of boredom.
I have no prediction but I will say, 'Bring on Planet of the Apes' I'm sure that they would do a far better job than any of the alternatives we have in this country!
The EU was never going to accept any deal we put forward it is obvious to anyone who is actually running the EU but no names mentioned they want our money?
do your own research and find out why.
there are many remainers in the cabinet some have already quit not got the guts to stand firm and do their job instead of causing more problems.
charity begins at home we voted to quit so quit use the money wisely if the politicians and civil servants are capable ??get on with it .
well I admire Theresa May - it's her colleagues that have let her down - that poor woman has driven herself to a shadow and it's the public who voted to come out of Europe - it isn't her fault - let's face it: why would we want either Corbyn or McDonnel to run Great Britain - they are total idiots the pair of them! Keep going Theresa!
Guilty of living in my own world, that if it wasn't broken ' etc etc What were the reasons and benefits for the UK by becoming part of the EU and why do so many now want out.
I'm with easybee; I don't think she'll let Tuesday's vote go ahead.
I think the EU will toss her a bone that makes the backstop slightly more acceptable, and she'll try again when the numbers look a little better. The 31st March date may have to be extended too.
What I would LIKE to happen is that we revoke Article 50, as the EU court advises we could do unilaterally, and stay in; the only solution that doesn't leave us all poorer for decades.
Well said nigglynellie!
The 31st March date may have to be extended too.
I predict that the date won't be extended unless we have a General Election or a People's Vote. The EU isn't going to be at all sympathetic to a request for extension if it's only going to give the government more time for internal arguments in the tory party and the slight possibility that a twiddle to the backstop might enable May to get the 'deal' through parliament.
I agree with your last sentence, moxeyns 
Anniebach, that sounds like the hokey cokey ?
Theresa will loose the vote
There will be a public vote which will include Theresa’s Brexit and REMAIN
By 5+% REMAIN will win and we will settle down in the EU and reform from within.
Always used to vote labour but couldn't vote for them now. I don't think Corbyn is a patch on Theresa May.
Good luck to her, whether she wins or loses.
Cameron gave into pressure from his schoolboy chums, the Eurosceptics, so disruptive in the Tory party, the ones that Major called ‘the bastards’ and still does.
Cameron gambled that Remain would win because no one sane would vote against it and at last he could put the bastards and their pressures aside.
BUT He underestimated the rumbling discontent of the unprivileged who saw it as a chance to shake things up. Unlike France and Germany, the UK had put no cap on the amount of the new EU members from the old soviet bloc, low wage countries, that could come here to work. It was a mistake and it was massively exploited by Leave.
It is interesting that the areas who have the largest amount of immigrants voted Remain. Those without any voted on fear from Leave.
I wasn’t at all surprised Cameron walked out on losing, implying ‘come on you Leavers sort this mess out’ But they didn’t they ran away.
So everyone was kind of relieved when sensible Theresa steadied the boat but really it was always going to sink. We’d have been better off for a passionate Leaver to have taken the helm over two years ago and crashed it to smithereens instead of being left with this leaking lifeboat.
The Leavers illusions have been bolstered they are now threatening massive unrest if their Will is overthrown. For that reason it is Theresa who is to blame for keeping this leaky damaged boat afloat. Every sensible person should have left and let the Leavers do it. They should have been made to.
We are heading for the rocks and maybe a new leader will emerge. We don’t know who yet though. That or we crash. A lot of people want to crash. They might think ‘you can’t fall off the floor - where they are. They know they will not gain but will enjoy others pain because they think the system unfair and they deserve it.
It’s a mutiny. Nothing progressive to be gained from it. Of course Cameron walked away when he saw the disaster ahead.
I am a hard Remainer and keep my fingers crossed. I was a supporter of Corbyn till his behaviour on Brexit changed that. His failure to inspire his young followers to vote to stay In. His three line whip on article 50. His limpness over it all in a misguided belief it will get him into power. Unfortunately he has lost the respect of many.
Join the conversation
Registering is free, easy, and means you can join the discussion, watch threads and lots more.
Register now »Already registered? Log in with:
Gransnet »

