What the people want - YouGov

Hear hear crystaltipps!

For years now we have been told by the Tory Eurosceptics that the European Union was about to inplode whenever there were problems.

However, through successive Greek crisis, the Spain crisis and others the EU has continued and grown. Theresa May toured several Member State capitals throughout the Summer in an attempt to garner support for Britains leave position. On each occasion, TM has come away "empty-handed".

Therefore it is evident that there is far more support among the other twenty-seven member states for the current EU structure than the leave leaders would wish us to believe.

Time these leave people woke up. We are where we are because Britain agreed and signed up to all that Europe now is, and they are not about to give that up just because Britain now wants to renege on all it signed up to and leave.

Day6 "I am amazed that so many Remainers aren't challenged on their assertions that most people who voted Leave would, if asked again, change their minds and want to remain in the EU." Perhaps it is because of the statistics in the YouGov poll?

As I have said many times the really democratic thing to do would be to ask people to vote on the actual deal and, when they understand what it is, decide whether to accept it or stay in the EU. What could be more democratic? Anything else would be far more divisive. If so many Leave voters are sure they are in the majority then they have nothing to fear so I wonder why they don't want another vote?

Of course we should have a vote on the final Brexit deal. Because otherwise, we’re giving a free pass to the Brexit campaign of 2016 to say whatever they want, regardless of whether it’s achievable.

The Brexiteers could have promised 100% employment, free homes for everyone and class sizes of 10 if they wanted to. And then when the public voted for Brexit and none of this occurred, they could just say it’s too late. Brexit means Brexit. Anything else is frustrating the result of the referendum.

There comes a point when, if what was promised before the referendum is nothing like what has been achieved in reality, that mandate needs to be held to account. We need to know if the public support the actual Brexit which is staring them in the face – rather than the one which was pitched to them two years ago on completely different terms. We clearly reached that point a long time ago.

The Brexit campaign was based on a vision of Brexit which just hasn’t happened. £350 million to the NHS per week? A generous trade deal with the EU? An economically more prosperous country? None of that has happened.

If the Leave Campaign had campaigned for May’s Brexit Deal, or for No Deal, they would clearly have lost under either circumstance. That’s why I don’t like it when people justify a People’s Vote by saying that the public have a right to change their mind. This isn’t about changing minds. This Brexit was never voted for in the first place.

Our Prime Minister doesn’t support Brexit. Our Parliament doesn’t support Brexit. The only reason that we are pursuing this policy is because it is “what the people want”. When so much has changed since the vote in 2016, shouldn’t we at least check that this really is “what the people want”? What’s the harm – from a democratic point of view? If the public really do want this version of Brexit then they will vote for it. No one is overturning anything. The public will get their way.

www.libdemvoice.org/

This country is being controlled/manipulated by the ERG. So much for 'taking back control'. Decent Conservatives [of which there are many I've come to realise over the past couple of years] must be horrified by what's happening to their party.

Well said varian. If the public are not allowed to vote there will be chaos and possibly uprisings. No one voted for this deal, we were lied to. I have said many times that if Leavers are so sure that they are right they have nothing to fear from a vote on the deal.

And, if it's democratic for the Conservatives to change their mind on who they want to be leader, why can't the voting public change their mind about Brexit?

Not so sure they will 'change their minds' Labaik because what they voted for is not available. They will be asked different questions so will have different responses. No one voted to be poorer or ruin our economy

If we have a second referendum. What is there to stop people wanting a third one in a years time when everything is further on, and another once we have been out for a year..... and so on ad finitum.

In Sir John Major’s speech to the Institute of International and European Affairs in Dublin he says-

"We need to protect the economic wellbeing of the British people. We need to protect our national interest. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that – to do so – we need to revoke Article 50 with immediate effect. "

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/john-major-we-need-to-revoke-article-50-with-immediate-effect-2/

The lying leaving campaign fooled many many decent people into voting for something which could harm them for the rest of their lives.

This is the remarkable moment a Leave voter cried live on air after admitting to James O'Brien he was wrong to back Brexit.

forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2311859/leave-voter-in-tears