Emergency debate tomorrow

No government ever fulfils its manifesto promises in full. We vote in that knowledge.

My position is that this government has failed us in every possible way at a crucial time for the country. I cannot see that any other party could do any worse; and I would rather see a party in power that knows that people are poor and suffering from a struggling health service, education etc. etc. This government has failed to notice this rather vital fact.

Apologies, should be "at this point in time" in my above post.

If Jeremy Corbyn is a Marxist what’s John McDonnell?

He did quote Chairman Mao in Parliament

Fennel. Little doubt, and when McClusky speaks Corbyn jumps

just a question to all who seem to believe Corbyn will carry out his manifesto

Firstly, no government ever carries out all of its manifesto, so no-one would be surprised. But I'm curious to know what part of the manifesto you think would be dropped.

Secondly, if Corbyn tried to exceed the current very centrist manifesto I suspect that he would be opposed by his parliamentary party and may be subject to a no confidence vote.

Thirdly, if the country didn't like what Labour was doing they could vote it out at the next election. Though sadly, because of the tory machinations, they'd have to wait a number of years to do it.

Fourthly, the civil service can be very adept at 'modifying' party's policies when drafting bills or just advising them on what is possible.

Of course, the tories are busy showing him the way to sidestep and marginalise our sovereign parliament, so he might find the Marxist Revolution everyone predicts, far easier to achieve than it might have been.

Many in the Labour movement hold Marxist/communist views, and I can see nothing wrong in that providing they do not attempt to "impose" those views on others

Len McCluskey has been outright in stating he holds communist views, but during his term as General Secretary, the Unite Union has become far more democratic in its structure.

The Labour Party with Corbyn as leader is also far more democratic in its structure which has allowed the grassroots activists to have far greater input into policymaking.

I believe that more than thirteen thousand attended the Labour party conference this year through more than four hundred and fifty main meeting and fringe events

Hardly sounds like a Marxist dictatorship party to me.

The Labour Party with Corbyn as leader has Labour MP’s booted out of the party if they disagree with him. Female MP’s threatened with rape. Protection for a female MP who happens to be a Jew when she attends the Party conference.

A hit list of Labour MP’s published.

This is democracy?

Good post Grandad

As Anja says.
McCluskey and Corbyn both know that extremity won't work in this desperate situation.
Nor would they want it to at this stage. I think that's why JC has held his tongue.

I can only echo Grandad, the Labour MPs are a fairly moderate lot it's the party members that are the problem they are never going to elect a moderate leader. In addition they are going to try to deselect moderate MPs, making labour even more unelectable.

That has nothing to do with the current mess, TM is not going to resign she knows the Tories are not going to try to remove her because she will win an election and nobody credible wants the job anyway.
Assuming the Brexit vote is lost, JC will talk about a vote of no confidence but he knows he has not got the numbers to win.
The EU are going to say with some force take it or leave it no more talk, whoever is PM.
To break the deadlock a second referendum is likely
STAY or LEAVE

All bets are off on that!.

" JC will talk about a vote of no confidence but he knows he has not got the numbers to win"
Has he even talked about it?
To win in a general election, probably not.

He has been saying for sometime he wants a general election

Well, it looks as though the confidence vote may come from May's own party. I'm seeing on twitter that there is a strong possibility that the 48 requisite letters have been received.

More rocks ahead for the tories, I think...

Ad that’s where it should come from- it’s their mess and they should own it.

Whoops, apologies

A leadership challenge isn't a confidence vote, is it?

As stated, why would Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party want to launch a vote of no confidence in the Theresa Mays government when the Tory MPs are most likely going to do that out for them. If they should carry out the foregoing that may well destroy the Conservative party as a single identity.

The electorate would most certainly take a very harsh view of the Conservatives taking up to a month to elect a new leader while Britain is in the middle of the largest crisis this nation has faced since the second world war.

All the above would enable Jeremy Corbyn to take some very large steps towards Ten Downing Street without him or the parliamentary Labour party doing or saying anything I feel.

The Government’s handling of Brexit just becomes more farcical each day as we approach the big vote on Theresa May’s Brexit deal next week.

www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/17276756.fair-point-brexit-deal-saga-becomes-more-ridiculous-each-day/

Of course we know now that TM cancelled the "meaningful vote" because she knew she would lose it and now says it will happen in a month's time. She is a serial liar so how can we believe her? She seems hellbent on driving us off the cliff if she cannot have her own way. She puts her party before her country and puts herself before her party.

I'm not a fan of Jeremy, I'd rather have a Labour leader who has broader appeal to the electorate. I'm not fearful of the Labour policies - I'm pleased the LP continues to try and highlight the reality in this country. That is that the austerity agenda is destroying and devastating our public services. That the poor, sick and vulnerable are being devastated in the same way.
Homeless amongst children has increased by 50% since this government was elected. I could go on but those who agree with me that a Labour government can only be an improvement on the current lot, won't shift their position. Neither will those who can only say that JC is a Marxist and who fail ever, to address the issue of the fact that as the 5th richest country in the world, we should be (and many of us are) ashamed of the levels of homelessness, the increase is mental health problems, etc etc.
Brexit is dominating the headlines, whilst the country falls apart.

From a comment in today's Herald in response to an article condemning Jeremy Corbyn's lack of leadership as Leader of the Opposition.

"It is an interesting conundrum: the way out of this mess is indeed clear and the irony that it was Scottish politicians who opened it up is rich. A simple vote by MPs to rescind Article 50 will finish it off. It is clear that there isn't an solution that will deliver the EU referendum result without causing harm to the UK (and indeed Europe as a whole). A hard Brexit is the worst of the lot (though the "news" that the Army is standing ready is political pantomime at its worst: the Army is always standing ready to support the Civil Power). Only remaining in the EU safeguards people's living standards and rights. By all means let the Brexiters continue to work on plans that can deliver the referendum result but they have to credibly show how the Irish situation can be resolved and to show how Brexit can be achieved without significantly frightening the economic horses."

How do we get more English people to see the sense in this?

English people Varian. ?

It amazes me that people can excuse the inadequacies and the horrors that have resulted from this government's policies. As charities try to cope with the homeless this Christmas, the NHS is overstretched even before the winter rush really begins, schools are underfunded and foodbanks are offering more supplies to get people through Christmas there are people on here slagging off Corbyn and posting offensive inaccuracies. All I can think is that you get the government you deserve and most on here deserve the shower we have. The sad part is that they are prepared to ignore others suffering purely because they subscribe to right wing propaganda.

Yes * Annie* it was largely due to leave voters in England that we are in this mess and very few English folk are likely to read these sensible comments in the Herald which is published n Glasgow.

Varian This Welsh person has no interest in a Glasgow publication , and Wales voted leave too