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What will/can a new leader do ?

(51 Posts)
Bridgeit Tue 11-Dec-18 22:30:24

Given that the EU says, the deal TM has negotiated is the only one on the table, why are other politicians saying go back & renegotiate for a better deal or stand down?
Seems to me if this EU statement is a truthful one then it won’t make any difference who the negotiator is.,the deal is the deal, Or am I missing something .?

paddyann Tue 11-Dec-18 22:48:57

She need sto go to the country ,surely even the hardest brexiteers can see that 37% of the electorate isn't enough to leave the EU? Now theres a clearer idea of the outcome she needs to ask the question agian..or rather she needs to ask a no deal brexit or remain .because thats what its come to .She wont be around to step down she'll be given the push within the week .

Bridgeit Tue 11-Dec-18 22:58:57

I am in favour of a second referendum, I believe it was in an emotive vote,rather than factual. A vote should be taken on facts & reality.

MaizieD Tue 11-Dec-18 23:05:17

She wont be around to step down she'll be given the push within the week

I'm prepared to bet that she won't be gone because with the prospect of the mad 'no dealers' jostling for position as the next tory leaders the sensible tory MPs will support her and, if JC has any sense he'll let Labour support her and keep her in her humiliating lame duck premiership to struggle on; possibly offering support with the proviso that she allows a People's Vote. Because I can't see a no confidence vote leading to the General election he really wants and surely no responsible politician would want any of the Brexit nutters as PM?

Bridgeit Tue 11-Dec-18 23:17:11

I do love the way you word things MaizeD?
JC must be thanking his lucky stars that he’s not PM right now.

MaizieD Tue 11-Dec-18 23:23:19

I must apologise, though, for getting procedures muddled. It looks as though she'll be facing a leadership challenge, not a confidence vote. So Labour not involved blush

Shame. I enjoyed writing that post

Razzy Tue 11-Dec-18 23:26:28

I agree with Bridgeit, no politician will get a better deal. The posturing about no confidence has a few reasons 1) the PM is a woman and so all the male politicians have to slate her 2) anyone who is on benefits will slate her because the government is clamping down 3) because she is PM during a recession everyone will slate her because their isn’t much money in the pot 4) all the Euro MPs are on the gravy train over there, caviar for lunch, huge expense payments, of course they want us to stay in Europe 5) not everyone voted for Brexit (although the majority did) and 6) the Irish don’t want to sort out their own issues, they’d rather avoid them by having the UK stay in the EU.

Bridgeit Tue 11-Dec-18 23:29:00

What do you a think a new leader can achieve, that TM hasn’t,given that the EU seem pretty clear that this deal is it.Thats the bit that I find difficult, it’s either the truth or it’s all game playing?

Razzy Tue 11-Dec-18 23:31:05

I think TM’s been a good leader and would be good long term. The Boys Club will get her out though.

Bridgeit Tue 11-Dec-18 23:31:55

Thanks Razzy, that just about sums it up, what a crock of S- - t when we were shown a pot of Gold.

MaizieD Tue 11-Dec-18 23:55:01


You clearly don't understand that the tories have caused the present recession. We were actually recovering from the banking crisis when they took office.

M0nica Wed 12-Dec-18 01:54:12

What will/can a new leader do ? Nothing, no matter which party they are from.

They got us into the mess they can work out how to get out of it. Meanwhile I am too busy with Christmas activities to be thinking/worrying over something I have no control over.

crystaltipps Wed 12-Dec-18 07:15:20

Seems like she going to be facing a no confidence vote, she is hanging on by a thread, but we’ve been saying that since the bungled GE. Can’t think of any preferable candidates mind, just heard someone on the radio promoting David “thick as mince” Davies. Gawd help us. What an omnishambles.

Alima Wed 12-Dec-18 07:20:09

Jeremy Corbyn would seek a trade agreement with Venezuela.

NanKate Wed 12-Dec-18 07:36:46

I rarely get involved in discussing politics but admire TM’s stamina and strength when so many are baying for her blood. It appears like a Shakespearean tragedy to me where the knives are out. Politics IMO is a dirty business.

crystaltipps Wed 12-Dec-18 07:40:52

David Davies wants a trade deal with Albania, even better.

EllanVannin Wed 12-Dec-18 07:42:38

All the Brexiteers should now be made to sweat through their vote and leave things as they were with the majority vote-----------feeling spiteful ! A big fat Exit.

Grandad1943 Wed 12-Dec-18 08:04:36

Well, we may about to find out what (if anything) a new leader can do as May will be facing a vote of no confidence between 6:00 and 8pm tonight (12/12/18)

What a total shambles this Tory party is. With Britain in the middle of the greatest crisis it has faced since the Second World War, all these people can do is to plunge this country into an even deeper mess by taking up to a month to find another leader, should the vote tonight succeed.

Talk about. "Nero fiddling while Rome burned", he had nothing on this current Tory gang of self-seeking idiots.

EllanVannin Wed 12-Dec-18 08:36:25

I wonder what John Smuth would have made of it all ? He seemed to have been the only politician who made any sense.

EllanVannin Wed 12-Dec-18 08:38:39

Whatever happens, I won't be going near a polling station ever again for as long/short as I live.

Jane10 Wed 12-Dec-18 08:41:10

Oh God. That poor woman. What an unholy mess these brexiteers have brought us to.

Anniebach Wed 12-Dec-18 08:42:02

Maize, the banking crisis was 2008, you claim we were recovering from this by 2010

MawBroon Wed 12-Dec-18 08:43:52

BBC are saying TM’s replacement would have to be a “true” Brexiteer.
Frying pans and fires, anybody?

Anja Wed 12-Dec-18 09:13:21

Good question OP!

I don’t have a crystal ball but do the likes of Rees-Mogg or Boris think they can get a better deal? Or will they be happy to just crash out with no deal?

I don’t like Theresa May as PM. She’s a ditherer and can’t read the political landscape (hence that disastrous GE) and she was on a hiding to nothing from the start. Neither could she see that she had accepted a poison chalice.

Jane10 Wed 12-Dec-18 09:29:17

Of course she could see that brexit was a poisoned chalice!! It's to her credit that she did her very best to carry out the result of the disastrous referendum. Her old fashioned attitude to duty is sorely lacking in that horde of jackals in Westminster.