"There will be NO renegotiation!" says Juncker for EU. Let us get out NOW!

Leavers moan about project fear but create their own with all their predictions of chaos and collapse throughout Europe which they ““know” is going to happen, and has less basis in fact than the predictions of food and medicine shortages which the government are planning for, the collapse of the £ which is tanking daily, the productivity of the U.K. which is the lowest in Europe and falling. Most refugees aren’t heading for the U.K. btw, and even if they were not being in the Eu would make little difference.

Leavers moan about project fear but create their own with all their predictions of chaos and collapse throughout Europe which they ““know” is going to happen

Precisely, crystaltipps^. Yet when one points out the opinions of *experts on the adverse effects leaving the EU will have they immediately proclaim that no-one can foretell the future

From my own observations while travelling.
I've asked Spaniards, do they feel European or Spanish, the answer, of course is always Spanish.
The same in Italy, who all said that we are leading the way to leaving the EU and they would like to follow.
And of course in Greece, they, of course felt Greek but everyone I spoke to also had an absolute hatred of Brussels and the EU.
There was not one person that I spoke to who said that they felt European. NOT ONE!!!
The large majority of British, feel British not European.
That is why it is my belief that the whole Social experiment is doomed to failure.
People don't generally want the EU, a lot of politicians of course do and most can't wait to join the Gravy Train.

I believe that many, possibly even most Britons, feel British and European. We should not have to chose.

The so-called "gravy train" may or may not exist, but if it does the main benefactor has been one N Farage, who claimed far more money than he was ever entitled to whilst letting down the British people.

As our representative on the EU Fisheries Committee, he attended only one meeting out of 48!

Things are finally looking up: cabinet finally preparing for no deal, Hammond to release a further 2 billion, NHS says they will manage as they have chartered plane to bring in cancer drugs and have their new fridges stockpiled full of medication, Grayling has secured planes so we will still be able to fly to and fro UK, Patenson is adding amendment to fishing bill to ensure fishing rights cannot be bartered away for slightly better deal, Mourdant is in May's ear about managed Brexit with only paying half the £39 billion in exchange for two years and the bonus is that the very vocal Soubury may resign.

Next time you go travelling, Buffybee, try Scandinavia. I find it strange that so many Brits like to compare themselves with southern European countries when it comes to standard of living etc. Why not compare ourselves with the northern Europeans?

You say: The large majority of British, feel British not European. You know this, do you? Surely it's not a question of feeling British or European. If you had to tick a box: Are you American, Asian or European? You would not tick any box then?

Oh marvellous we are spending lots more money to keep things the same. But the EU will have to make sure we can get the drugs. What about insulin made in France for diabetics hope they’ve got a lot of German fridges and the EU will have to give us permission to fly in their airspace what a pantomime, not sure what the troops will be doing, quelling any insurrection I guess.

And, while all thus is happening a homeless person dies outside parliament; what sort of country have we become ..?

the only way things will be "looking up" is to walk away from the whole sorry saga .Ditch Brexit its unworkable .Troops on the streets? Is this really what people want?

Greta, if you had read my post properly you would have seen that it was not about comparing standards of living with any country.
So your post made no sense.
It was about asking people in the countries I was traveling in, did they feel European and as I said NONE of them did.
And as for the large majority of British feeling British not European, yes, at an educated guess I would say so.
How can you possibly think different Greta.
Also, there is never going to be a form to tick with just European on it and I know for a fact that Chinese or Pakistanis would not be happy being described as just Asian and would find it quite insulting.

We had troops on the streets when we hosted the olympics in 2012. They were all over London, nothing wrong with our troops.

Nothing wrong with troops but why would they be needed?

Keep calm and carry on?
We've waited years now for some sense to come out of the Brexit debacle.
Why on earth would troops on the street indicate anything other than peace and tranquillity ?
Take your head out of the sand!

well newnanny lets hope the good people of NI see it that way.We in Scotland aren't used to having armed troops amongst us and quite frankly dont want them .

The last person to send troops in here was Churchill to stop demonstrations ,they weren't welcome then and they wont be welcome now .

Its almost like a planning a war, only we are waging war and doing damage to ourselves. What a nightmare.

If this government sits around doing nothing, you complain that nothing is being done.

They are now putting in numerous contingency plans, the armed services maybe being deployed is just one of many.

According to one of our "male posters" there is a warehouse being prepared in Severnside to stockpile tinned goods?

Well it’s self inflicted and avoidable that’s the point.

GrannyGravy13, the warehouse being prepared on Severnside is not involved with government preparations in any way. The site is to be operated by a global distribution company that carries out the road transport operations of a large supermarket chain that has its main south-west distribution centre in Avonmouth.

The Avonmouth Distribution Centre runs on a Just in time (JIT) schedules for goods into the centre and out to its retail stores and therefore holds no more than a few days stock on almost all lines carried

The plan is for the Severnside warehouse to begin ramping up stock intake in the second week of January which will act as a backup to the main distribution centre should there be problems through the ports at the end of March or panic buying set in prior to that.

The Severside site was previously a wine warehouse, so it is certainly not ideal for the purpose it is to be used for now, and a tremendous amount of work is required to get it ready to receive anything by the seventh of January.

It's Certainly giving us a lot of problems in setting up the safety regime for the site, and when and where all the staff are to come from and be trained up, the Lord above only knows. However, I would imagine that all the major supermarket chains are setting up the above type backup warehouses throughout the country. I would also imagine that "Joe Blogs the consumer" will be picking up the bill for all this however Brexit turns out

That stated, our Members of parliament who have brought all this on the country today have today gone off on an extended Christmas holiday which I find totally disgusting

I agree GG13 contingency plans have to be put in place.
Large companies should start stockpiling items, it makes total sense.
Armageddon scenarios are just silly, ( nightmare, war like etc) it’s just common sense for businesses to start planning ahead.
If Parliament accepted May’s deal there would be no need for this at all.You have the Labour MP’s mainly to blame as they will accept no deal at all that May could have come up with, whilst having no plans themselves for a better deal.

I think they're all looking forward to it, crystal.

It was Project Fear when it was mentioned a few months ago but it's now fine with plucky Theresa at the helm. It will take them back to the 40s when we were brave little Britain standing alone against the enemy. It sounded like such fun when their parents told them about it that they've had a horrible time over the past 40+ years being cocooned in the wealth we've gained from being part of the largest trading bloc in the world. And it gives them a chance to have a pop at the old enemy again, Germany. Because, of course, the EU = Germany (and perhaps France, another old enemy). Forget about the remaining member states...

Food shortages, travel restrictions, medicine shortages, troops on the street to keep order.. Bring It On...

For God's sake what does it matter , what your research revealed about how people feel Buffybee?

I have never felt English. I have absolutely no interest in nationalism at all. I would be perfectly at home in any European country but I may have left it too late to master a language.

Not everybody is a Brexiteer or a Remainer. Many people were and are confused and dejected by the situation and the shower of self serving fools who are supposed to represent us.

What a vivid imagination you have MaizieD

It's better than not having any at all, lemon

Buffy made a very valid point.Nobody defines themselves as ‘European’ ( if they do then they’re fibbing.)
First and foremost is the country you were born in, grew up in and lived in.I am English first, British second.
What do you feel oldbatty ( Scots, NI Welsh) if not English?
I find your attitude curious.

How about a happy medium where imagination is concerned?!