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So now who's "stupid"?

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Opal Wed 19-Dec-18 15:55:39

Anyone with a brain cell can see for themselves that he said "stupid woman". I would have had a little bit of respect if he had owned up and apologised, but he's just blatantly lied at the ballot box. Who looks stupid now?

MawBroon Thu 20-Dec-18 12:30:32

Well if Diane Abbott said so.....?

Anniebach Thu 20-Dec-18 12:35:10

Yes Maw, she said so , must be true surely ?

Nicenanny3 Thu 20-Dec-18 12:52:09

Diane Abbott his old lover ? ? well she would say that wouldn't she.

nigglynellie Thu 20-Dec-18 14:26:31

Oh, I see! Must be true then Annie!!!!??

lemongrove Thu 20-Dec-18 14:33:08

Of course he said it!
That isn’t the real problem, it’s the weasel way he lies and denies everything.This isn’t the first time either.

lemongrove Thu 20-Dec-18 14:33:48

I expect he will hide now until the New Year.

POGS Thu 20-Dec-18 14:41:34

This is not as some assume to be a something out of nothing, a Tory rumpus.

The point being missed is female MP's on all sides of the House and to be fair many male MP's have spoken and debated widely on the subject of mysoginy in Parliament.

Many female MP's have spoken of the patronising, sexist behaviour towards them and women in general. Lord knows this year has seen probably the most debate surrounding the attitude towards female politicians I can ever remember.

For the outright hypocrisy of suddenly finding Corbyn is somehow allowed to call the PM a ' Stupid Woman' is not only undermining the work those female and male MP's have been raising in Parliament but shows the shallowness of partisan politics. Shame on them and what respect will the subject of mysoginy receive if they don't do the right thing and state the bleeding obvious?

Before anybody accuses me of partisan politics I would have said the same had a Conservative MP called a female MP a ' Stupid Woman' so I will include the Speaker John Bercow as as being just as ignorant to Parliamentary etiquette as he often crosses the rubicon of Parliamentary behaviour himself. In fact I think Tory Speaker Bercow is the worst of the bunch.

If female MP's especially do not understand that if they can stand back and allow the PM to be called a stupid woman in Parliament without an apology then they have put their cause back and why should anybody feel the need to curb such behaviour on their behalf if they pick and choose who, when and where can be allowed to lie their way out of bad behaviour?

Corbyn has put their cause back by his actions and perversely not so much by what he said as his refusal to accept he did anything wrong. Cowardly or self - serving take yer pick.

So the calling of the PM a ' Stupid Woman' is not the principle problem alone it is the fact the Leader of the Opposition should follow Parliamentary Etiquette and behave himself in a manner that befits his stature and most certainly not lie to Parliament but that point eludes those who on another day, another individual would be saying the oppositee than they are now.

MaizieD Thu 20-Dec-18 15:05:03

So, it's all out indignation and denunciation of Corbyn for something that even the 'experts' cannot be sure he said.

Here's a bit of whataboutery.

What was the tory MP captured in this video saying about Yvette Cooper?

twitter.com/shahil95/status/1075666516106981376

Over to all you Gnet lipreading experts

Anniebach Thu 20-Dec-18 15:34:51

Usual tweets from the Corbyn devotees

MaizieD Thu 20-Dec-18 16:05:43

Oh, FGS, Annie. Stop making stupid assumptions.

So it's OK for the honourable gentleman on the opposite benches to call Yvette Cooper a bitch?

lemongrove Thu 20-Dec-18 16:12:25

It’s not ‘alright’ for anyone to do it, but especially not alright for the leader of the opposition to say it to a female PM.
Annie there are a few posters who would say say Corbyn was innocent of any wrongdoing at all on GN.He’s a perfect saint dontcha know! grin

lemongrove Thu 20-Dec-18 16:12:51

He will be hiding out in the allotments right about now.

Nonnie Thu 20-Dec-18 16:23:46

Oh on just this subject can we stick to the point? It is about what JC mouthed, not what anyone else said on some previous occasion and it is not about TM either. It is about someone who is supposed to behave like a leader and even a potential PM. Anything else is completely irrelevant apart from the way the Speaker failed to deal with it. IMO he goes too far left in trying to show he is balanced.

Opal Thu 20-Dec-18 16:24:30

No it's not OK for ANYONE to do it, MaizieD, hence my original post. But how anyone can look at the clip and deny he said "woman", well either they need to go to Specsavers or they are lying through their teeth, same as Corbyn. God forbid he ever becomes Prime Minister, then I'll know for sure that our wonderful country is well and truly lost.

MaizieD Thu 20-Dec-18 16:27:52

As I've said, Opal. Expert lip readers are divided as to what he said. I'm not rushing to judge where there is uncertainty.

oldbatty Thu 20-Dec-18 16:29:37

He will be hiding out in the allotments right about now

How is this in any shape or form a helpful or interesting comment please?

Just so we are clear I am not a fan of Corbyn or May or.....

Our wonderful country is rotten to the core, unless you are loaded of course.

MaizieD Thu 20-Dec-18 16:30:08

I'll know for sure that our wonderful country is well and truly lost

Our country is well and truly lost already.

Nicenanny3 Thu 20-Dec-18 16:34:49

MaizieD are you really Mrs Corbyn or Diane Abbott ?

lemongrove Thu 20-Dec-18 16:36:59

....an amalgamation of both I think nicenanny ?

Nicenanny3 Thu 20-Dec-18 16:44:42

Lol ?

Anniebach Thu 20-Dec-18 16:45:56

Expert lip readers are divided ? I will accept Evelyn Glennie’s decision plus my younger daughter , a small number of expert lip readers have thought not, the majority have said yes.

Maizie the link you provided only gave twitter comments, but you hsve just stated Yvette was called a bitch, were you within earshot ? You wouldn’t rush in and say it was said unless you were 100% certain would you ?

Opal Thu 20-Dec-18 16:49:36

No our country is not well and truly lost, it's a wonderful place to live and I am very proud of all the truly amazing things that we achieve. The trouble is that all we read about in the Press is negative and scaremongering, when do we ever hear about positive news and achievements, of which there are many every day. The Press have a lot to answer for, and are the main culprits responsible for the negative spin that seems to prevail in society a lot of the time.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 20-Dec-18 17:06:27

So true Opal, we are a successful country.

The UK has just been voted No,1 for business by Forbes magazine for the second year running.

MaizieD Thu 20-Dec-18 17:06:38

The link I provided gave a repeating video of the man saying what he did. Very clearly. Perhaps you could ask your daughter to judge it, Annie

(The comments are irrelevant; it was the only way I could put the video on here)

Anniebach Thu 20-Dec-18 17:10:30

Maizie, all I saw were the Twitter comments , no video,