So-called ‘migrant crisis’

Why on earth would you assume that people who are not natives of the UK would not " meet acceptable standards"

Every year that we were living in Bulgaria prior to them joining the eu we had to produce our bank statements to prove we had enough money to live on.
We had to pay for all medical needs.

Sajid Javid has stated that the migrants arriving by boat, applying for asylum are likely to be turned down because they have left a safe country.

Some helpful data from the BBC:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46722157

I have some queries: A couple of weeks ago I heard that some of the Iranians were coming in boats they had bought for themselves but haven't heard that since. As the criminals simply supply the boats and tell them to navigate using their phones why do so many pay the traffickers?

Looking at the figures for asylum seekers they mostly look as if they come from countries torn by strife but why from Pakistan? Unless they are persecuted Christians why would they need asylum?

Last time I posted a question someone interpreted what I said to mean something I didn't. Please, these are genuine questions with no agenda, I just want to know the answers.

Erm, where does anyone suppose that these migrants are going to be housed when we already have a shortage of houses ? Plus nobody will give up their views etc on greenbelt land for developers ? ( not in my backyard ) Are these people still those whose sympathy goes to the migrants who risk life and limb crossing the Channel to get to the UK ? Or, like the government, are double standards still prevalent ?

living up to acceptable standards
Hyacinth Bucket rides again!

The Trump like attitudes shown by many on this thread make me despair. Of course it’s relevant to ask what we would do if we lived in a country where famine and war dominate. To suggest asylum seekers or refugees should stay in their country to sort things out is heartless as well as impractical.
I’m struggling with the concept that this England, Britain, my homeland belongs only to its original inhabitants. (Who were they again!?). After WW2 there was mass movement from and through Europe. Borders were shifted. People managed. Is the fact the current refugee crisis is largely confined to black or other non white communities a key issue in the resistance to offer humanity

Nonnie
Most of the Iranians arriving now originated their 'European' journey in Serbia. False passports have to be bought, taxi/ lorry drivers have to be bribed to take them over the Croatian border. I. Some cases border guards have to be bribed. Then we have the 'boats' often they are in RIBS, these aren't cheap. And then the people smugglers know that that RIB isn't coming back to France.
It all adds up.

Government: Sajid Javid: CHANNEL MIGRANT CROSSINGS “A MAJOR INCIDENT”

Guardian online 19/3/18, Fiona Harvey, Environment correspondent, see:- www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/19/climate-change-soon-to-cause-mass-movement-world-bank-warns :-

“CLIMATE CHANGE SOON TO CAUSE MOVEMENT OF 140 MILLION PEOPLE, World Bank warns”

A few hundred refugees crossing the Channel, are just short term symptoms, of major world problems that need urgent solving.

Migrants are mainly because of Climate Change preventing people from growing their food. But this is worsened by war, persecution and poverty.

UK Government is appealing for political popularity, with antagonism towards migrants. But these migrants are mostly NOT from EU.

Our Government should deal with the major causes of migrants seeking to come to UK, before using dishonest political rhetoric to get more votes.

“10’s of millions in... developing world expected to migrate before 2050, unless Climate Changing environment is improved”

86 million migrants could try to come to Europe, and their preferred destination UK, from sub-Saharan Africa. 40 million from SE Asia, and 17 million people from Latin America. Because, they can no longer grow food, because of Climate Change.

Please deal urgently and more thoroughly with the crisis of Climate Change, as advised by recent United Nations Climate Change conference in Poland.

Climate Change is more dangerous, and needs more action than realised until recently.

World is heading for over 3 degrees of warming, and increasing.

United Nations conference in Poland recently, said 2 degrees is too dangerous, and we must aim for 1 1/2 degrees maximum, needed within 12 years.

Or our children and grandchildren will suffer terribly from bad climate.

"Grannie, Grand-dad what did you do to stop this terrible Climate Change?"

Pakistan has one of the largest presences of terrorists as has Iran and Iraq. Why are there no vetting procedures when these people enter the UK ?
We have 23,000 ( and counting ) terrorists on our soil.

Why do African migrants head West instead of East?

Iam64 how do you propose dealing with the extremists who appear among the migrants ? And how would you separate them from the genuine migrants ?

I don't know if it is possible, EllanVannin. We hear about young refugees who came here with their parents when they were young; the parents integrate into society, the child grows up being educated here yet occasionally there is one who will turn to terrorism.

Well Gabriella you'd have to ask them that.I suppose its the grass is always greener syndrome ,not something I ever had.The FACT that immigrants all cluster together have been well documented down the centuries
.We have and have had jewish areas in Glasgow for a very long time ,Italians congregate close to their ain folk too .Then theres China Town ..in most cities.Of course none of the above have dark skins ..is that the issue ?
There is no one more loyal to their homeland than an emigrant/ex pat .To the extent the ones in Spain voted FOR Brexit ...not understanding they were voting to potentially be sent home .
As for the lazy Brits taking the jobs they dont want..would that include the Doctors and Nurses ,the engineers and research scientist etc etc that we ARE losing as we make them feel unwelcome..some who have lived here for 40 years or more .My daughters Dutch friend is one of them.She's a doctor and she's been served notice to attend a meeting in London to "discuss" her future here,that'll be the fiuture of her Scottish husband and children too !!

she's a Doctor

Jalima, because we rarely hear of any or many displacements concerning migrants ( mainly our own people ) I tend to think that those who've come across in boats/dingies have family/relatives who are already here, hence existing families who are familiar with the ways of live that some of them have chosen------and that's violence towards the UK. They hate and detest our nation.

petra

^Most of the Iranians arriving now originated their 'European' journey in Serbia. False passports have to be bought, taxi/ lorry drivers have to be bribed to take them over the Croatian border. I. Some cases border guards have to be bribed. Then we have the 'boats' often they are in RIBS, these aren't cheap. And then the people smugglers know that that RIB isn't coming back to France.
It all adds up.^

I think I was aware of all that except I don't know what RIBs are. Please enlighten me.

Another question I hope someone can answer: can someone who wants to claim asylum come here by a 'normal' route? Would they have to apply for a visa and would it be granted? I think airlines refuse to allow people without visas to fly to countries where they are needed. I am trying to understand why someone who can afford to pay a trafficker £4000 would do that if there was an easier way.

# Life not live.

paddyann - are you suggesting that all immigrants are highly trained, highly qualified people? Those in the UK legally would not be "sent back". My guess is those attempting to enter the country illegally are not doctors nurses or engineers. As I said before, I have no objection to people coming to UK - as long as they do so legally. Is that too much to ask?

These poor people who arrive in France, why don’t they apply to come here if they have family here. Seem nearly 100 have tried to cross the channel over the holiday period

Nonnie a RIB is a rigid-hulled inflatable boat

I would imagine refugees from war may not have, or be in a position to acquire, a passport hence cannot fly?

Jane10 Are you talking about the eastern med?
As you know Italy won't take anymore. They won't get a warm welcome from countries along the Adriatic coast. Greece is full so wouldn't expect a welcome there.
That only leaves Turkey. 'If' they are allowed in they will be put into camps.

Thanks OldWoman. I'm not nautical and live a long way from the sea!

Surely they are not that expensive? If, say, 10 asylum seekers pay the traffickers £4000 each, it would be cheaper for them to buy a boat themselves? As I said earlier, I did hear that they were doing so but then it was no longer mentioned in the news.

annie
Who is going to support them, the family?
Where are they going to live, we have a massive housing shortage.
Plus, ( going down the legal root) how are we going to check that these people are who they say they are. These countries don't have the IT systems that we in the west do.

I wondered the same petra