Anna Soubry

Readymeals re your comment at 10:43:08, I thought that too - very odd!

Also your point about holding interviews indoors - there must be press rooms or suitable rooms where interviews can be conducted instead of outside in front of jeering mobs of all persuasions and in all weathers?

Just what I was thinking, ReadyMeals. Maybe the tv people like having these encounters.
The mob behaviour was disgraceful, but I would be prepared to put up with it in exchange for an MP's salary and pension!

I actually don’t like Anna Soubry at all. I think that she walks all over people and seems very uncaring. Those comments shouldn’t have been said. However I wonder if our MPs have any idea what crimes are taking place on a very regular
basis, multiple phone calls to Police and no response. Anna Soubry expects arrests for verbal taunts. She and a lot of our politicians are not in the real world and are protected from much of what to us is real life.

I hear that the police are going to be given guidance on how to deal with these situations in the future.

This is important as the number of demonstrators outside Parliament on the day of the "meaningful" vote is likely to be swelled by far more of these types.

They are just a very vocal group of extremists who are probably more like Nazis themselves in their views about why we should leave the EU.

Anniebach I do not excuse an attack on any MP, but there is no comparison between one old man saying silly things in a non-threatening way and a large mob of violent louts behaving in a very threatening manner. Remember the late Jo Cox MP. As far as I know, no brexiter MP has ever been attacked by a remain supporter, let alone murdered in the street.

I think that the yelling was unpleasant but they surrounded her as she walked back to the House and that must have felt very intimidating. They were very close to her.
I think that they should be charged for that under public order offences, but not for the heckling, nasty though it was.
These people don't represent the majority of Leave voters. They are alt-right thugs who are just looking for an excuse to be obnoxious. They are Robinson supporters.
The Tories have done a lot to foment division in the country and that is a dangerous thing to do and they must take some responsibility for this. She said 'this is what is happening in this country' as if it has just happened spontaneously.
However badly the Tories behave though, including the yah booing in the HoC and their treatment of the less fortunate, particularly the disabled, these men are just thugs who should be treated as thugs and dealt with. Otherwise this can only spread.

Anniebach No female MPs needed protection at the Labour party conference.
The police put out a statement confirming that.
There was a photograph shown that happened to have the MP who was trying to suggest this in the vicinity of a policeman but he was not there to protect her and it is shameful of her that she did not correct the false impression.
Luckily though, as I have said, the Police did correct it for those who wanted to know the actual facts.

They are as far from anarchism as you could get.
They are "Nazis" but they have no concept of the meaning of fascism.

I suppose I will upset a lot of you by confessing to being a Brexiteer, My brother was recently send an email from somebody in the Netherlands who told him that Europe is terrified of the UK leaving because without our contributions they will all have to pay more. I am not going to change my mind even if there is another referendum.

Here is a link which contains the statement from Merseyside police. Of course the main stream media which had already published the propoganda, did not correct it.
zelo-street.blogspot.com/2018/09/luciana-berger-and-police-protection.html

Sorry, that link doesn't work, I meant to press preview. I will try to find another one.

Anniebach. Some people just like shocking headlines and not the truth. It suits their divide and rule agenda.

Annaram1, you had the right to vote any way you want, as do Remainers. I suspect that a lot of Remainers will also vote to leave next time there is a Referendum because they will be voting for Democracy!

I do think the mob surrounding Anna Soubry was very intimidating, whether she has a thin or thick skin. I feel sorry for her, and I' m sure most Brexiteers are not like that.

annaraml I feel the same way. The online abuse has been horrendous and may give an impression that people are no longer going to support Brexit as people have kept quiet but I think most will.
This might interest you on the way figures are being gathered to support the so called People's Vote.
skwawkbox.org/2019/01/07/yougov-admits-priming-as-experts-criticise-brexit-poll-and-results/

I see no point in referring to other situations, whether less or worse, surely this behaviour was unacceptable and, if not condemned now, will encourage worse.

I don't understand how anyone can say what would have happened if the vote went the other way. How can they possibly know?

I have seen news of lots of people demonstrating for another vote but have not heard that they have abused anyone in this way. Is that because the media haven't shown it or because it hasn't happened. Is it only Leavers who are abusive or are Remainers also abusive. Can anyone provide a link?

I think the mob surrounding Anna Soubry were out of order. However, i don’t agree that the far right are worse than the far left. Anyone remember JRM being punched at a university rsity last year? During the last election i saw a UKIP stand in my city centre and the respectable looking man giving out leaflets, covered in paint. The mob around him made it quite clear nobody was going to have a discussion with him or get any literature as people were too scared to approach the stall. Whether you agree with their policies or not, and let’s face it, they are a “LEAVE THE EU” party, nobody has the right to intimidate their activists or people who want to enter into a discussion with them. Let’s face it anyone with any type of view against immigration or any thing that differs from the ‘woke’ population’s view is shouted down, sacked or blacklisted. I’m certainly not a far right leaning voter but i did vote to leave and i totally agree with Piscarii’s post - if it had gone the other way that would have been the end of it.

I think Anna Sourbry has had to put up with a lot of abuse that goes way beyond heckling. She has had death threats , threats of violence and much worse. I think it is disgraceful.
I agree with her over brexit, but not about much else, but admire her honesty and bravery in doing what she believes is right. . If I was her I am sure I would have stopped speaking out long ago.

tickingbird I think that it is counter productive to attack MPs when they venture out. Then people complain about them living in a bubble. Heckling is one thing as long as people can still talk, but I don't think that throwing eggs (as was done to Milliband), berrating someone's children (as with JRM) or behaving in a threatening way (as with Soubry) is ok. Nor are the online rape and murder threats that Diane Abbott gets ok.
It is understandable that people feel strongly and I believe in protest but individuals should never be made to feel afraid.

varian one solitary man murdered Jo Cox , it’s wrong to defend one side, harassment is harassment regardless of numbers or reasons.

I think we all voted from a variety of motives- that's why the discussions around it can be so frustrating, with everyone trying to tell everyone else "what everyone voted for". It's impossible. I dare say some people voted leave just because they didn't like Cameron, and some people probably voted remain just because they think Cameron has nice blue eyes or something, or because they dislike Johnson. So many many reasons.

I hope you are wrong ReadyMeals but fear you may be right.

I do not defend anyone who commits harassment but I just point out the difference in the way opposing campaigns were and are being conducted.

No-one for a minute accuses all brexit supporters of this, obviously the hooligans are in a small minority, but their behaviour is dangerous and is encouraged by the lies of the brexit politicians and the intemperate language of the brexit supporting tabloids.

Brexit has given people permission to behave in this disgusting way. I despair for the future of this country