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Anna Soubry

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varian Mon 07-Jan-19 18:28:08

MP Anna Soubry has criticised the police for failing to intervene after she was verbally abused by protesters outside Parliament.

The Conservative ex-minister was accused "of being a Nazi", while being interviewed on the BBC News channel.

She called for the protesters, who were wearing yellow vests, to be prosecuted under public order legislation.

Commons Speaker John Bercow said he was worried about a "pattern" of women MPs and journalists being targeted.

Raising the issue in the House of Commons, Labour's Mary Creagh said the "really vile, misogynistic thuggery" that had been seen was not an isolated incident.

She accused far-right groups of re-playing Monday's clip and others like it on social media sites to "raise revenue for their trolling activities".

Ms Soubry, the pro-European MP for Broxtowe who supports another Brexit referendum, was subjected to verbal abuse while being interviewed by the BBC's Simon McCoy.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46785357

Anniebach Tue 08-Jan-19 17:02:32

Why the excuses for someone being verbally abused and physically obstructed from entering her place of work? No different to threats of rape on the internet or racism abuse.

Why should interviews be stopped from taking place unless behind closed doors.

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:03:30

Well good luck with changing the breaking news 24 hour news culture lemon . It’s here to stay and what needs dealing with is the behaviour of these right wing thugs not developments in news broadcasting ( whether we like those developments or not). Anyway there are going to be more police on duty now outside Parliament and they’ve been ‘briefed’

Barmeyoldbat Tue 08-Jan-19 17:05:00

I believe you are right ready meals. I had a conversation with two families before the vote in a supermarket queue. They had never (can you believe it) voted before but this time they were going to vote leave because they didn't like Cameron or immigrants. Awful.

MissAdventure Tue 08-Jan-19 17:05:49

Everyone should be free to go where they want without fear of harassment, particularly if there are policemen around, I would have thought.
It really is disgraceful. Probably frightening for her..

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:06:26

anniebach nail on head

Nonnie Tue 08-Jan-19 17:28:11

I don't care where the interviews take place, I'm just glad they do. Does it really matter to anyone?

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:38:28

The point about where the interviews take place does matter because some ouster think that right wing thugs should make us change our behaviour rather than they be made to change theirs. Think about the increase to their sense of power if interviews are reduced and become more difficult? What would they then do next to shut people up?

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:38:52

Ouster = posters

Jalima1108 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:40:31

Why should interviews be stopped from taking place unless behind closed doors.

but the interviews are to be broadcast on the msm, so I can't really see the difference between conducting them in a room, in a corner of the Parliament building or outside, sometimes in the rain and wind.
We have seen soaked and windswept broadcasters standing outside speaking to us on tv - unless they're reporting on the weather I don't really see the point.

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 17:41:16

Heckling and barracking MP’s has always gone on ( rightly or wrongly) by both right wing thugs and left wing thugs and all political stripes inbetween who aren’t actually thugs.
Nobody has answered yet my earlier question of, ‘ do we expect men to behave more thoughtfully towards a female MP simply because she is a woman’? Reading many posts on here that would seem to be the case, but equality cannot be cherry picked.What is seen as disturbing ( I think) is seeing men shouting at a woman.If they had been behaving in this way to Gove,( or anyone else) would you all think it was so terrible I wonder? Are you coming at this from a purely female view, and not a general view? Genuine questions.

Jalima1108 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:42:08

they’ve been ‘briefed’

'How to do your job' I presume.
As opposed to standing around listening to a woman - or any person - being abused and threatened.

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 17:42:35

Jalima yes, exactly my point.

Jalima1108 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:44:17

Are you coming at this from a purely female view, and not a general view? Genuine questions.
Good question.

I think heckling and barracking is par for the course for anyone who has a political profile but the level of nastiness has worsened considerably in the past few years.

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 17:45:30

Unless laws are changed, and a person is lunging at another or similar, then the police can only hold back crowds, in this case a very very small crowd of people.
If there is genuine concern about attacks on MP’s then barring a group to gather on College Green is the only way to go.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:48:35

I think MP's from all parties, whether they be male or female should be treated the same.

They cannot expect "respect" when their social media accounts are sometimes a vehicle for insults and bullying remarks towards others.

Saying that I do not condone violence in any way shape or form, and the fact that those people were allowed to get so close to AS is worrying, they could have had a knife or another weapon.

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 17:48:39

We tend to think so Jalima but has it really? It certainly has on social media and the newspapers, but has it ‘in reality’ become worse, we would have to study the past and recent past, to say with confidence that there is nastier heckling of MP’s from the general public now than at any other time.

Grandad1943 Tue 08-Jan-19 17:49:43

Well said maryeliza54. The actions of the leave leaders in their outright lies and also breaking the financial regulations of the referendum have given leave to these extream right-wing thugs to believe that any behaviour is acceptable in Britain at this point in time.

We have still seen no condemnation of yesterdays verbal and physical threats to Anna Soubry by such persons as Boris (the buffoon) Johnson or other leaders of the leave campaign despite now having more than twenty-four hours to state that condemnation.

I ask, what sort of place would Britain become under their leadership.

MissAdventure Tue 08-Jan-19 17:51:47

Heckling is one thing, harassment and threats are quite another.

Anniebach Tue 08-Jan-19 17:52:34

Those who have no problem with that mobs behaviour yesterday and say MP’s are use to being hecking and barracking,

Did you turn up to hear MP’s on the hustings forty yesrs ago? Yesterday was not heckling , I have heard Barbara Castle, Ny Bevan and many more on the hustings, they were heckled from the floor and could give as good as they got but they were not subjected to what took place yesterday.

I do think MP’s are now too fond of interviews on tv where the public can’t ask questions, thinking back to the last general election, all appearances were stage set.

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 17:56:14

It’s nothing to do with ‘their leadership’ or lack of.
McDonnell stated last year that he wanted no safe place for any Tory in the country and he wanted them heckled and harried and for left wing activists and the public to take direct action against them anywhere they went!
I ask, what sort of country would it be under his and Corbyn’s leadership!
I don’t believe that yelling or any pushing and shoving of an MP male or female should go on, but it does and has always done and is not new.

crystaltipps Tue 08-Jan-19 17:56:16

There are nasty EDL types who do treat women worse than men unfortunately. These vile thugs are trying to intimidate and harass. MPs such as AS are threatened with rape and murder and unfortunately we know that there are some nut cases who may try to carry it out. They should be removed and maybe for safety reasons interviews should be inside the building. Can’t be too hard to arrange.

varian Tue 08-Jan-19 17:56:33

I don't think it is just about the MPs being interviewed on TV. These yobs are constantly filming themselves on their mobile phones and posting on social media. It seems this particular yob is trying to rival the so-called "Tommy Robinson" as a leader of the ultra-right extreme brexiters.

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 18:00:19

We mustn’t have double standards about this, JRM was treated badly by members of the public ( more than once)
And many politicians have been screamed at from crowds in the street and had eggs and flour thrown all over them.
If the public go too far, the police can arrest them.
I think all the street interviews surrounding Brexit should simply stop.

lemongrove Tue 08-Jan-19 18:02:36

Just what I have been saying Crystal ( do the interviews indoors) it isn’t hard to do and was done until recently.

varian Tue 08-Jan-19 18:04:13

You can't get away from the glaring inbalance between pro and anti brexit supporters.

700,000 anti brexit, pro EU supporters marched peacefully through London.

About 100 pro-brexit supporters tried to disrupt traffic on Waterloo Bridge, let off smoke bombs, attacked the police and now threaten MPs being interviewed by the media.