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Anna Soubry

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varian Mon 07-Jan-19 18:28:08

MP Anna Soubry has criticised the police for failing to intervene after she was verbally abused by protesters outside Parliament.

The Conservative ex-minister was accused "of being a Nazi", while being interviewed on the BBC News channel.

She called for the protesters, who were wearing yellow vests, to be prosecuted under public order legislation.

Commons Speaker John Bercow said he was worried about a "pattern" of women MPs and journalists being targeted.

Raising the issue in the House of Commons, Labour's Mary Creagh said the "really vile, misogynistic thuggery" that had been seen was not an isolated incident.

She accused far-right groups of re-playing Monday's clip and others like it on social media sites to "raise revenue for their trolling activities".

Ms Soubry, the pro-European MP for Broxtowe who supports another Brexit referendum, was subjected to verbal abuse while being interviewed by the BBC's Simon McCoy.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46785357

Anniebach Tue 08-Jan-19 21:51:41

When the police officer was murdered at Westminster many of us critcised the senior police officer who sat in his car. Yesterday we saw police offices standing in a doorway watching a woman being verbally abused and blocking her right of way to her place of work.

mcem Tue 08-Jan-19 21:51:51

What a pointless post moggie.
Does it mean you ignore all political opinions and so don't vote?
Or do you disregard all information and vote anyway?

icanhandthemback Tue 08-Jan-19 23:10:10

The police officers just stood by and watched

Unlike the Acting Met Chief Commissioner who hid during the Westminster Terror Attack.

I have stood and watched a young PC who was heckled, abused and jostled in my town centre by a group of teenaged girls. He just took it. In my youth, we'd have been arrested and charged!

I don't think we have a police force to be proud of as in days past.

Eloethan Tue 08-Jan-19 23:24:39

I can understand the police's reluctance to step in. They may be accused by some of being used as establishment puppets to silence dissent.

I think it is perfectly acceptable to protest, but the behaviour of these men was not only extremely boorish but, in my view, could easily be perceived as threatening.
Several large men surrounding a lone woman - or man - and shouting in her/his face would certainly feel very threatening to me. Threatening behaviour is, as I understand it, unlawful, but it might be a bit tricky to nail down.

Anniebach Wed 09-Jan-19 08:19:03

Possibly there were to afraid to step out through the door, they seemed not to be dressed for the streets.

EllanVannin Wed 09-Jan-19 09:05:22

I know the police didn't " do their job " on this occasion, but sad to say their hands are tied. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
The democratic rights of the public plays a big part in any protest and providing it doesn't get out of hand and violent the police will stand back to allow protests to continue and run their course.

If the police had intervened it would have shown or appeared as being biased towards the politician or the cause so naturally they're going to take a back seat unless physical violence had been apparent. Any show of force by the police wouldn't have been advisable among such a volatile group. Violence begets violence.

We've seen police tactics in the past where tasers and extreme violence towards an offender has been used particularly when the arrested has been suffering from an illness or mental health and the public have been up in arms, hence their restraint when only verbal abuse is used.

Anniebach Wed 09-Jan-19 09:10:16

Should the police watch as a woman is surrounded by a ranting group , it they had stood to the side and heckled I can understand them not stepping in, but this was different, they surrounded her.

Urmstongran Wed 09-Jan-19 09:13:56

Anna Soubry along with other MP’s such as Yvette Cooper are railroading the voters in their constituencies. In YC’s case, the good people of West Yorkshire voted an overwhelming 70% to Leave. Nothing has deterred her from her ‘I know what’s best for you all’ - no wonder Leavers are finding this whole bloody process so frustrating!
I mean, why should the democratic representative for Broxtowe (Anna Soubry) pay any heed to the noisome, pesky 54.6% of her constituents who were estimated to have voted Leave and were therefore under the impression that their side had prevailed on June 23 2016?

maxdecatt Wed 09-Jan-19 09:14:39

Not at all and that is nothing like what I said. Are you typical of those that distort what a person says in an attempt to paint them in the colours you do not like? To me that seems to describe you exactly. By the way....that is an Anna Soubry tactic. Ask her about the derogatry comments she makes about her own constituents.

suzied Wed 09-Jan-19 09:38:17

Well Jeremy Corbyn's constituents voted solidly to remain ....

EllanVannin Wed 09-Jan-19 09:40:49

As did I too, suzied.

Jaycee5 Wed 09-Jan-19 10:04:26

Suzied Jeremy Corbyn has to follow the decision made at conference to respect the result.
Yvette Cooper doesn't have to do that, not being in cabinet, but she is choosing to go against both the members and her constituents.
I started out supporting her during the leadership contest but she seemed to shrink as it went on and by the end she just seemed like an empty vessel.

Anniebach Wed 09-Jan-19 10:14:14

Yvette knew she was up against momentum , she is doing more from the back benches than the shower on the front bench, as is Hilary Benn.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 09-Jan-19 10:54:47

AS is on film calling leave voters fascists and racists, is this what we expect of our MP’s.

It is certainly not how I expect a public servant to act.

Labaik Wed 09-Jan-19 11:46:11

I expect our MP's to still represent those of us that did vote to remain; isn't that what democracy is all about?

Nonnie Wed 09-Jan-19 11:57:02

I don't think we should have an opinion on where the interviews take place, that should be up to those concerned. I do however firmly believe that wherever the interviews are done the participants should be kept safe.

As others have said the referendum was advisory. Having advised our MPs we should now expect them to take such advice into consideration, find out all the facts and take action according to their conscience. We didn't elect them to blindly do things, we elected them to act in our interests, probably with greater knowledge than us. I think they are hiding behind the result of the referendum because they are frightened they will campaign for the 'wrong side' if we have one based on facts. Well done any MP who tells their constituents they are going to vote differently now they know the facts.

EllanVannin Wed 09-Jan-19 12:06:17

The suffragette movement told us that we were no different to men when it comes to equal rights.
Why then was it any different to Anna Soubrey being heckled than if she had been a male ?

Both male and female politicians have to withstand the same amount of abuse-----it's part of their jobs/positions.

Jabberwok Wed 09-Jan-19 12:42:44

Why would anyone bother to vote in an advisory referendum,when the result is predetermined by a parliamentary majority which will decide and probably over ride anything the voters decide?! Surely it would less expensive and less damaging in every respect just to let parliament decide the issue in the first place, instead of going through what would be a bogus referendum pandering to what would be bogus democracy which most people would see straight through!

Anniebach Wed 09-Jan-19 13:22:58

A woman surround by a group of thugs is vulnerable , both sexes are equal for verbal abuse ,

Urmstongran Wed 09-Jan-19 13:25:04

Hear, hear Jabberwok.

Nonnie Wed 09-Jan-19 13:36:22

Jabberwok I can't speak for anyone else but I voted in the advisory referendum because I wanted to influence they advice given to the Government. Didn't you vote? TM keeps saying she is going to act on that advice.

Jabberwok Wed 09-Jan-19 13:43:04

I voted leave, are you seriously suggesting that my vote would have been treated with anything but contempt by our self serving, money orientated, ambitious, arrogant politicians?!!

lemongrove Wed 09-Jan-19 14:06:05

Exactly Jabberwock the electorate was told that the outcome of the referendum would be considered binding.
It was, and Parliament backed this stance.
Only disgruntled Remainers keep on calling it advisory.

Jabberwok Wed 09-Jan-19 14:13:49

I voted because the referendum was declared by D.C and backed by Parliament, to be binding! What's there not to believe?!! Had it been advisory, I wouldn't have bothered to vote for the reasons stated.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 09-Jan-19 14:15:55

I too was under the impression that my vote would be counted and acted upon and that the result of the referendum would be binding.