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Can this government really continue?

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trisher Sat 12-Jan-19 11:32:18

Is there anyone out there who can really still support this government? It bought the DUP to keep it in power, it has been defeated in the House of Commons in spite of that and its policy of Universal credit has just been thrown out of court because of the way it treats people. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/11/four-single-mothers-win-high-court-benefits-battle-against-dwp-universal-credit?CMP=fb_gu&fbclid=IwAR1gx3cqrJ5ailab45F4KiBlYqm1SWMSu6gABIRw_2vGheNkA8y1gqGQ6-Y
Surely they have to GO NOW!!!

POGS Thu 17-Jan-19 17:02:29

Hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy!

Corbyn has said Theresa May ' must' stop with her red lines.

Yet Corbyn ' demands' his red line is met before even going to a meeting---

Corbyn has been calling for Theresa May to ' Reach Out' to other parties if you listen to his speeches and interviews.

Yet Corbyn refuses to talk with Theresa May and reportedly has told his MP's not to either. - - - - -

Corbyn takes the opportunity when questioned over his ''Our friends Hamas' comment to turn the table on the interviewer by getting a tad defensive and usually saying something like ' It' s good to talk isn't it? '.

Yet Corbyn again doesn' t practice what he preaches.

Corbyn is only interested in getting a General Election!

Nonnie Thu 17-Jan-19 17:03:48

Maizie I was talking about JC not TM. In answer to your question, I don't know and I'm not sure she does,

Jabberwok Thu 17-Jan-19 17:07:33

Only a very few people actually advocate crashing out of the EU,but to remove your only means of leverage would make any further negotiations completely pointless. The EU would offer the worse deal, take it or leave it! Or stay! I think most people know perfectly well that negotiations in any walk of life are pointless when conducted from a point of weakness which this would be.
Could be that Corbyn actually hopes that we will crash out of the EU, chaos ensues , General Election, Corbyn rides to power, hello Marxist government!! Dangerous times indeed!

Nonnie Thu 17-Jan-19 17:13:54

Why should JC's MPs do as he says when he so often voted against his own party? Don't do as I do, do as I tell you comes to mind.

Jabberwok Thu 17-Jan-19 17:17:35

I guess he'll make sure they are de selected!! We DO need a deal unless we want to risk a free rein Corbyn government!

Anniebach Thu 17-Jan-19 17:20:01

Agree POGS.

Corbyn will be delighted if this ends in a disaster, the voters are angry and he gets the general election , it’s all he wants .

‘ I have a red line which demands you abandon your red line’

I think he would find a meeting difficult because he couldn’t have all his questions and answers written out for him to read .

Grandad1943 Thu 17-Jan-19 18:07:02

Anniebach, Fantasy is the word that comes to mind in regard to your posts on this thread.

Of course, Jeremy Corbyn is entirely responsible for this the largest crisis facing Britain in over seventy years.
And nothing to do with the Tory party whatsoever.

Therefore, as a long-standing member of the Labour party, no criticism of the Conservative party is required by you whatsoever? grin

Anniebach Thu 17-Jan-19 18:38:32

granddad1943. A small detail, I have never said Corbyn is responsible for this crisis.

Seems the one who is prone to fantasy is you. I suggest your adoration of Corbyn needs a little self control

MaizieD Thu 17-Jan-19 18:50:07

I was talking about JC not TM. In answer to your question, I don't know and I'm not sure she does,

You said, Nonnie, about JC "he has made it quite clear it is his way or no way."

Now, I may be living in a parallel universe here, but surely that's precisely the line May is taking?

Or have I completely misread the intention your post?

MaizieD Thu 17-Jan-19 18:54:36

I think he would find a meeting difficult because he couldn’t have all his questions and answers written out for him to read

Miaow

Have you not noticed, Annie, that just about every MP speaking in Parliament does so from a prepared speech which they read from?

Jalima1108 Thu 17-Jan-19 18:57:31

Anniebach, Hillery Benn was on Sky News this morning and stated that as he and others in the Labour party are the chairpersons of various parliamentary committees, they will be attending meetings with senior government ministers in regard to Brexit
I mentioned that earlier.

The Labour leader sent a letter to members of the parliamentary party after Hilary Benn, Yvette Cooper and John Mann all visited the Cabinet Office in Whitehall on Thursday.

They pre-empted his letter. Sending the letter makes JC look foolish because, as you say Grandad and as I said earlier, Hillary Benn stated that he and others are chairpersons (should that be chairpeople?) of various committees to do with Brexit.

Grandad1943 Thu 17-Jan-19 19:01:37

Anniebach, I am not in "adoration of Jeremy Corbyn", and I believe he will be replaced as party leader within the next six months as I have stated several times on this forum.

In the above, I am not even a member of the Labour party but believe in placing responsibility where it belongs. That stated, Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party are most certainly not responsible for the severe Brexit crisis that Britain faces now.

I would have thought as a long-standing member of the Labour party Anniebach you would have wished to point that fact out in this thread and other Brexit threads you have posted on?

Anniebach Thu 17-Jan-19 19:04:53

Mazie, yes speeches are prepared and read, but questions?

Nonnie Thu 17-Jan-19 19:05:57

Maizie yes

Anniebach Thu 17-Jan-19 19:11:26

granddad1943. Corbyn is leader of the party of which I am a member , how can I critcise others leaders when he is a liar and a hypocrite and thinks nothing of betraying fellow party members . I cannot.

varian Thu 17-Jan-19 20:09:36

I have watched one or two of Jeremy Corbyn's recent press conferences. He makes his speech and an assistant announces she will take questions, then calls on journalists in the audience. She takes three or four questions before turning back to Corbyn.

He is in theory answering these questions but by the time he starts we have forgotten the first question, let alone all the others. He rarely even attempts to answer any of the questions, he just makes another speech or repeats what he said before.

It is a total charade and quite insulting to those who have taken the trouble to turn up, listen to him and put questions. If he was serious he would take questions one at a time and attempt to give each questioner a proper answer. This stupid behaviour is hardly likely to endear him to the media or the voting public.

trisher Thu 17-Jan-19 20:11:02

What surprises me is that there are people who imagine that everyone is against us crashing out in a No Deal situation. There are those who realise the huge economic disaster that would be for the country but who also know that there will be a great deal of money to make in such a situation. Where are those people? Sitting behind Mrs May, watching her make a hash of everything and gleefully calculating how much they will pocket.

varian Thu 17-Jan-19 20:16:19

They are called "disaster capitalists". ERG s like Redwood who is paid £200,000 for a part time job with Charles Stanley and has advised investors to take their money out of the UK, Rees Mogg who has opened an office in Dublin to take advantage of continuing EU benefits, and all the tax dodging billionaires who were behind this brexit nonsense and are ready to swoop in and buy up the assets of failing businesses on the cheap.

lemongrove Thu 17-Jan-19 20:28:25

Corbyn is hopeless.
Being the only leader who refuses to talk! He is calling it a ‘stunt’ May and Cabinet members talking to cross party MP’s. A stunt Jeremy, that may just find a solution to the paralysis in Westminster.
I think he is running scared of any involvement or of coming out and saying what he really wants so is doing the usual ploy of hiding from it.Pathetic.

Grandad1943 Thu 17-Jan-19 20:41:32

Anniebach Quote [ granddad1943. Corbyn is leader of the party of which I am a member, how can I criticise others leaders when he is a liar and a hypocrite and thinks nothing of betraying fellow party members . I cannot.] End quote

So Anniebach, you will not state that the Tory party are totally responsible for the most significant crisis this country has faced in seventy years because of your personal views on your party leader.

I believe that states everything in regard to your membership of the Labour party Anniebach in that you put obsessive hatred of Jeremy Corbyn in front of all reality.

Anniebach Thu 17-Jan-19 20:57:07

granddad, let me explain, you were not posting on this forum when Corbyn stood for the leadership. I gave him full support. Perhaps some posters may remember . Shortly after he won the leadership I learned things about him , i apologised to those I had argued with when I defended him,
I do not have hate for anyone, I have no respect for liars or hypocrites, this is my reality .

Seems you are the one who places your admiration for Corbyn before reality . But in fairness as you are not a party member you wouldn’t understand how a party member feels when a fellow party member works against you.

Please do not lecture me on the Labour Party, you are a voter but not a party member, he didn’t betray you.

Grandad1943 Thu 17-Jan-19 21:33:18

Well Anniebach, in two elections the Labour movement have given Corbyn the largest majority that any candidate for leadership has ever had, with the second being even larger than the first. So, Anniebach perhaps it is yourself that is out of step with current party thinking and not me.

Also, if your hero Tony Blair had not taken the affiliation subscriptions from poorly paid trade union members without giving them back anything in return, we would not have Jeremy Corbyn as leader now.

Undoubtedly, that money was all spent on those "nice" party conferences that you attended Anniebach that did not even see the financial crisis coming and to which so many grassroots movement members paid for with their jobs.

Anniebach Thu 17-Jan-19 21:44:07

granddad1943, you must be so busy typing epistles you either have time to read posts or have a memory problem, please try harder to stick to facts,

I agree I am certaintly not in step with your thinking, heaven forbid.

So union members wanted more for themselves than the rest of the country, that I can believe . If Corbyn gets to No 10 they can all strike as they did in the seventies,

I don’t pay my membership fee to get what suits me, seems Unions expect more

POGS Fri 18-Jan-19 00:19:22

Anniebach Thu 17-Jan-19 20:57:07

"granddad, let me explain, you were not posting on this forum when Corbyn stood for the leadership. I gave him full support. Perhaps some posters may remember . Shortly after he won the leadership I learned things about him , i apologised to those I had argued with when I defended him, "

Boy can I vouch for that!!!

Jalima1108 Fri 18-Jan-19 00:39:54

It was pointed out on QT this evening that Corbyn believes in speaking to groups with whom he claims he disagrees, such as Hamas and Hezbollah, but will not talk to Theresa May about the future of our country.