Can this government really continue?

The threat of No Deal is our only trump card, get rid of that then you might as well abandon brexit all together. All the EU has to do is offer deals we can't possibly agree to for as long as it takes for us to give up and stay put. In any deal people always have to have the opportunity to walk away - it concentrates the mind on both sides!

I do not believe that Britain leaving on a "no deal" is such a significant threat to the EU. In the short term, it would damage trade to both parties.

However, the European Union has the long term view and advantage of knowing that large manufacturers would relocate production to Europe to avoid the tariffs and bureaucracy on products moving from Britain into EU Countries.

In the above, several of the major vehicle manufacturers have already started that with no customs agreement all new models would be produced in Europe.

We're all worried about harmful emissions and yet we have to make more and more vehicles year on year! Surely cutting down on production and people being encouraged to keep their cars for at least five years or even longer should be encouraged ?!!

humpty yes other party leaders have that after a meeting, Corbyn is saying it before any meeting, and his mantra has always been ‘ talking ‘ . He will not meet the PM because he is going to disagree no matter what and go on about holding a General Election, this is all that concerns him.

I think that newer cars give off fewer emissions though Jabberwok; perhaps we should all be encouraged to change to the hybrid ones if and when we decide to buy/lease a newer car.

lemon your post at 14.45. I don't always agree with you but that post is spot on. If TM agrees to JC's demand then the EU will know we either have to accept the current deal or remain. I don't believe they will concede anything to change the deal but I wouldn't want to close any doors. If we accept the deal they have us over a barrel in the trade negotiations because of the backstop, we would have to accept that or agree to whatever terms they ask for.

Corbyn has written to the Labour MP’s, no Labour MP is to take part in meetings with the PM

Precisely Nonnie, take the threat of no deal off the table and we might as well stay and have done with it as there will be nothing left to bargin with except deal(s) that we can't possibly agree to!

Wow Annie, a dictator indeed!!

Jabber if it is so obvious to a few on here why isn't it obvious to everyone?

Goodness only knows as it is blindingly obvious!!

lemongrove Thu 17-Jan-19 14:53:10
That is exactly what DH said, lemongrove.
Nonnie I agree

JC is behaving very childishly; he does not have the intelligence or the maturity to see that and it is time he went

And having cross-party talks is exactly what I have been saying all along; however, we need someone with more intelligence and gravitas to join the talks eg Keir Starmer.

Oops, Hilary Benn, Yvette Cooper and Chuka Umunna hadn’t read the letter, they are for the naughty step !

Well, Hillary Benn should know what he is talking about - isn't he Chair of the Exiting the European Union Committee?
They are all more capable than JC.

The car industry has been foremost in driving up the living standards of millions of people for the last sixty years worldwide. In that, the production, sales, servicing and all the ancillary Industries that surround the foregoing support untold numbers in well-paid employment.

That industry is now undergoing a fundamental change in the move to electrically powered vehicles and driverless cars. Therefore, Britain should be doing everything possible to encourage manufacturers and their suppliers to maintain their production operations in Britain,

However, instead of the above, we look towards leaving the largest and most successful trading block in the world without even having a customs agreement with that body, which is right on our doorstep.

How stupid must that look to all those in the vehicle manufacturing industry and all the supplier's that support that industry?

Corbyn is saying it before any meeting, and his mantra has always been ‘ talking

But I understand that he said, at the despatch box, in front of parliament, that he wouldn't talk unless 'no deal' was off the table. What would be the point in saying it all over again in a'private' meeting?

Besides which, May had already said what she wouldn't talk about. So really all her 'talking with other parties' is about is trying to get them to accept her deal. Pointless

Is he being a 'bloody difficult man?'

Maizie he has made it quite clear it is his way or no way. The country is in such a parlous state it is completely wrong to go into talks with a closed mind let alone sending such a message to the EU.

Nonnie

What on earth is May doing, if not exactly the same thing?

Anniebach, Hillery Benn was on Sky News this morning and stated that as he and others in the Labour party are the chairpersons of various parliamentary committees, they will be attending meetings with senior government ministers in regard to Brexit. That he advised was with the agreement of the executive of the Labour party and movement and all other chairpersons.

I would also remind you Anniebach that it was not Jeremy Corbyn or the Labour party that got Britain into the political mess it finds itself in now, that accolade lays very firmly with the Tory party and no other body.

He's not going into any talks until 'no deal' is off the table. In fact, that's what all the other party leaders told May after a pointless 'private' talk with her. He just cut out the waste of time meeting to tell her something he'd already told her in front of the entire House.

But Corbyn has always stressed talking is the only way , he has said this for years .

Hilary Benn and Yvette Cooper have just come out of a meeting and said they hadn’t read the letter.

Chuka has said this above party politics

So is talking the way or only sometimes the way

I agree entirely agree with Corbyn in refusing any meeting with May until a "no deal" exit is taken out of any consideration of how Britain leaves Europe.

I would ask those that support Britain "crashing out of Europe" what do you say to the hundreds of thousands in the vehicle production industry and their suppliers where their employers have stated that all new models coming on line will be produced in EU countries.

Same as some said to the miners