What next?

We should never have had this referendum in the first place. We elect MPs to make decisions. We do not know enough of the correct facts to make such a decision. It was a democratic vote and should be adhered to.

I think never in a million years did the government expect the result so no one knew what to do. There was no plan so they have just stumbled through. The behavior of MPs in general has been disgraceful. I'm sure lots of people have lost faith in politics. I wonder if there is an election will people even bother to vote? Maybe as has been suggested do we need new blood another political party ?(couldn't be any worse.)

I really do feel for the future generation

The European Union were never going to make it easy. If they did a lot of countries would be leaving. It is far from the Common Market that we joined in the 70s. They control too much of what happens in the United Kingdom. I voted out and will do again. The prime minister has had a difficult job. Those jumping ship are now after her job. This country under Corbyn's leadership would be on its knees.

Well said ‘GabriellaG54’ - we have a similar car cleaning business near us. Pity they’re not all so hard-working though. ?
Can someone answer this question please?
If we do so much trade with the EU, why is almost everything I buy made in China/Korea/Myanmar/Bangladesh, etc?

EllenVannin are you mad?
‘They’ have funded nothing, the UK have given Europe a HUGE amount of money from which they have given back a insignificant amount to find small projects. Hardly scraping the surface. If they weren’t given the 39 Billion in the first place, imagine how many projects they could find

Strange that your name indicates a place that will not be affected, due to not being in the EU now.

An ailing NHS, cutbacks in services, many companies owned by foreign conglomerates, railways off track, schools having to ask parents to buy books pencils etc, crumbling roads, broken borders, dirty hospitals, poor policing...?

All of this is and always was the responsibility of the UK Government whether we are in or out of the EU.

It seems to me that the UK Government (of whatever hue) has been keen to blame the EU when it has suited it, for example for a lack of border controls (under the banner of free movement of people) and for a failure to return illegal immigrants promptly to their country of origin.

In these and other instances, HMG should have taken control and didn't. If it had, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess now.

Who knows?

A referendum is not legally binding it’s consultative. They chose to use the result for their own gain. They cannot face the transparency required by EU new laws.

The will of the people is an excuse and added to that many many U.K. citizens couldn’t vote. We are still waiting for our voting papers!

Yes Ayse, we can change our minds and if there is another referendum I for one will change mine. I would vote to leave and wish I had last time.

Well said Lyndiloo. I am right behind you.
What I would like to , humbly, ask is this. The vote to leave or remain was open to all those eligible to vote. Of those who bothered to vote, the majority wanted to leave. The minority who bothered to vote were remain. If you didn't bother to vote at all whilst being able to, have you any right to make a fuss about the outcome, please?

Anybody with half a brain would have seen the chaos coming just because of the unpicking of 40 years of legislation

GrandmaBlue I think you'll find that in so called Objective 1 areas like Wales and Cornwall, and places like Toxteth in Liverpool, the EU have piled in massive amounts of cash over the years, to try and redress the imbalances caused by the demise of single industries in those areas; that's coal in South Wales and tin mining in Cornwall. Toxteth as we are aware required special help due to generational decline.

Here in the West Midlands, an Objective 2 area, the EU pump primed a number of significant projects between 2006 and 2013 to the tune of some £900m, when match funded amounted to something in excess of £1.2bn.

Projects included Arts, Transport, and Tourism as well as further education and inter regional exchanges.

This has been replicated nationwide. It's nonsense to suggest that the EU have funded 'nothing'.

The point is, not a lot of people know that. And therein lies the whole problem.

There are 27 other countries in this union why on earth should they not think of themselves and their countries and the union Why do some people have to think that Britain has to come first !!

These shenanigans have already cost the country £billions. The 'man in the street' says "Just get it over with" - which gives you an indication of how ill-informed 'he' is. Jeremy Corbyn is not the issue, he is the leader and servant of the Labour Party, he will obey the members. Whoever is the government blame the one before and some even tell downright lies! (eg The Labour Party caused the global financial crash!). Cry-baby Leavers need to accept that they were hoodwinked by the wide-boys who ran Project Spiv (sorry, Brexit)and be humble enough to support the no-confidence vote. We need a Labour government.

I don’t sense any big change in how people would vote even if we did have a so called People’s vote.

In my circle remainders are still remainders and leavers still leavers.

What really worries me is that overturning or ignoring the referendum result will lead to a rise of the far right. And I don’t mean UKIP I mean the real far right like we see in France and Germany.

Omg!! The very last thing we need is a Corbyn/Abbott led government. Corbyn has never so much as fun a Union. Utterly inept even more than May.

What we do need is the sensible labour MPs and sensible Tory MPs to form a proper centre party.

GabriellaG54 i take your point and i don’t wish to come across as racist because i’m not. I know many of these people come here for a better life and work hard. All credit to them. However, for many people that live in areas where there is a high concentration of EE citizens it's difficult. The Roma gypsy children regularly climb on cars and bounce around on bonnets, roofs and their parents can’t see anything wrong with it. Most of the cars their parents drive are old bangers, untaxed with no MOT. It’s this clash of cultures that causes the problems but certain liberal elites think it’s racist to tell them they can’t behave like that over here. I’m not tarring them all with the same brush; i’m just trying to explain why some people voted leave and want free movement stopping.

Mummsymags. A Labour government? Led by Corbyn? Heaven forbid!

Remain with what:-
-Germany in recession
-France in flames
-Italy facing a banking meltdown
-Greece perpetually beggared by the Euro and by
Germany-centric policy
-Hungary and other countries heading for the far right
-uncontrollable immigration
and so on?

I would be the first to say that the EU has delivered some benefits but it is far from the shining star some Remainers seem to think it is.

Why did the UK elect to be' in' ? How were we to benefit by our 'choice'?
What were our expectations that now observes a majority who wish to be' untethered' and have voted 'out'.
It is not just those described by some as ' having had your day' who may have chosen to 'out', but to accept there are ' 'outer's' who were not even born when the UK was given the opportunity to make a decision for a future
within the EU.

I keep hearing that 'the people voted to leave the EU and we should respect that but to me the numbers do not add up.
They say 17 million voted to leave, and that it was the majority of the people, well as far as I am aware at the last census there were 62 million people living in the country, which leaves 45 million who do not have a voice. So if you take away those that cannot vote such as children until the age of 18 and those that are not British citizen it seems a hell of long way from 'the people had their say'.

What they really mean is that out of those that voted, 17 million wanted to leave the EU, that was 52% of 'voters' not 52% of British citizens. They also do not say that 48% of the 'voters' voted to remain and 26% choose not to vote either way. , which is 78% of the voters. Now I am no mathematician but these sums do not make any sense.
Another confusing element to all this is that I and 48% voted to leave , so why is my vote not counted, I have not had my say, I am being ignored in this so called democracy and worst shouted down to keep my mouth shout because 'the people have voted'.

Nigel Forage who took his wages from us the EU MP but spent all his time plotting to leave. Did the people who voted for him wanted this? This hippocrete and traitor said before the referendum that he will only accept the vote if is was 60/40 and would call for another vote if it was smaller. Now he is parading around as if he owes us.

Again how did we ever fall for these lies and who has benefited from the UK leaving the EU, certainly not the people of this country.

To solve this mess we need either a general election so we can hear what each party purposes to do to solve the problem, relying on the fact they must be honest and have a mandate. Or we have a second vote and make sure that everyone is heard, even those that are not sure.

One thing is for certain, we cannot carry on like this.
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What we are reading here in this thread mirrors exactly what is happening up and down the four countries of the UK. We can't agree, the population can't agree and Parliament can't agree.

TM should have 'parleyed' - as indeed where the term 'parliament' comes from -with people across the political divide and engaged with the public not just Tory stalwarts.

She seems to be blinkered. She's not engaging even now with the Labour front bench. She's seeking to engage with some LP members on the back benches. She is, in short, still playing puerile games.

I'm puzzled how, after such a resounding defeat she has not resigned.

@Lyndiloo I totally agree with everything you say, I. too, voted to leave for exactly the same reasons!

I think the sad part is the divisive nature of Brexit; that and the sheer arrogance of our politicians.
I do think that we knew too little to properly inform our vote in 2016. I was a remain voter for that reason. If we have another vote it might but only might help the country as I fear the divisions will still be entrenched.

I agree with those who think in a democracy we have a right to change our minds, in light of new information (for example every 4 years when we elect a new government.)

What now for us I wonder?

We elect our MPs to make decisions for us .
Most people I would suggest knew far less than the MPs when we voted in 2016.
However ,the majority still voted to leave and therefore leave we must.
There can be no "people's vote"
We have had the people's vote and the people voted to leave.

Firstly it should be noted that those coming to the UK from the EU pay more in taxes than they take out of the system. Please don't blame them. Over the last couple of years a lot of the Poles have left because their own economy has improved and the £ has lost so much value it is not worth them working here.

Good first post Elaine, don't agree with the second.

Lindiloo are you suggesting that if we leave without paying the 39 billion things will be better? Would you commit to something and then refuse to pay for it? What message would you think that would send out to any country negotiating any sort of deal with us? Don't trust the UK, they don't pay their bills!

Please provide evidence of the 70 trade deal offers. I'm surprised by that.

25Avalon you are mistaken, most of our trade is either with the EU or with the 70+ countries we have an EU deal with.

barnet and freyjia agree with your intelligent comments tickingbird it is not a personality contest, we are voting to elect a government.