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Fraudulent referendum

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varian Sat 02-Feb-19 18:36:35

Brexit lies: The demonstrably false claims of the EU referendum campaign-

‘Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market’ – Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan

‘Once we have settled our accounts, we will take back control of roughly £350m per week’ – Boris Johnson

‘We will need an emergency Budget to restore stability to public finances’ – George Osborne

‘The UK loses out because other members favour a highly regulated and protectionist economy’ – Jacob Rees-Mogg

‘Turkey (population 76 million) is joining the EU’ – Vote Leave publicity

Of course the Gransnet leavers have told us that they were not influenced by any of these lies, but surely we can agree that some leave voters might have been?

jura2 Sat 02-Feb-19 16:50:57

RosieLeah was totally entitled to write:

' how this country has been affected by joining the EU, with its petty little rules'

and no-one is saying it is not valid. It is totally fair to ask what rules she had in mind. So we will wait patiently and politely, in hope.

Day6 Sat 02-Feb-19 16:42:17

Voting in a life changing referendum belongs with facts and how they impact upon everybody else

How it hurt Remainers to lose you mean? The angst the middle class elite felt because, well, how dare those common little oiks think differently from us, who know better? That sort of impact?

Give it a rest, please.

No one knows what the world will be like this time next week, next year, the day after we leave the EU. No one can predict anything for sure.

I was informed enough to know Leave could be the only way I voted. How dare anyone suggest my vote or my reasons for voting Leave weren't valid.

Nonnie Sat 02-Feb-19 16:32:43

I would like those details too please Rosie I'm ready to listen and change my mind.

jura2 Sat 02-Feb-19 15:13:38

RosieLeah could you kindly give us a list of those petty EU rules which influenced your vote. Thanks.

MaizieD Sat 02-Feb-19 14:15:11

Well said, Alexa

What 'petty little rules' don't you like, Rosie?

Alexa Sat 02-Feb-19 14:03:49

RosieLeah, the chance to voice your opinion belongs with chatting in the pub or coffee shop. Voting in a life changing referendum belongs with facts and how they impact upon everybody else.

Beau Sat 02-Feb-19 13:59:18

Well said Rosie ?? ??

RosieLeah Sat 02-Feb-19 13:46:02

This is an insult to those who voted 'Leave'. Do you think we are unable to think for ourselves? Do you think we have been unaware of how this country has been affected by joining the EU, with its petty little rules and leniency towards criminals? I, and many others, didn't vote to join and jumped at the opportunity to vote to leave. I didn't need persuading, just the chance to voice my opinion.

varian Sat 02-Feb-19 12:25:26

Leave.EU campaign and Arron Banks firm Eldon Insurance fined for illegal marketing. The data law watchdog has issued fines totalling £120,000 to two organisations involved in the Brexit campaign.

news.sky.com/story/leave-campaign-and-arron-banks-firm-elson-insurance-fined-for-illegal-marketing-11624617

On the day this shocking story was reported by Sky News and Channel 4, the BBC did NOT even mention it. Surely it is time that the outrageous bias of the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation was investigated???? They are after all funded by us, and most of us want to Remain in the EU and are utterly sickened at the antics of our once-respected public service broadcaster.

varian Fri 01-Feb-19 18:16:40

£120,000 fine for Leave.EU for serious breaches of electronic marketing laws- a bit like fining Lance Armstrong for taking drugs but letting him keep the Tour de France titles he won while on those drugs.

jura2 Fri 01-Feb-19 18:00:35

In the meantime, the UK, the US and the West in general are criticising Venezuela's election sad

varian Fri 01-Feb-19 16:55:29

The campaign group called "Led By Donkeys", "because if you live in Britain you feel we are a nation of lions led by donkeys", has been putting up posters showing quotations of statements by prominent leave campaigners before the referendum.

"This particular idea - to skewer the hypocrisy of Brexiteers on huge public billboards - has turned into a national campaign that is getting up the nose of some of the country’s most influential politicians.

One campaigner says "This is a political crisis. We are providing the public with a service, reminding them that the people asking for our trust now have a dreadful record of predicting what would happen. We are trying to provoke a conversation. It’s unclear if they were liars or fantasists, but they were definitely wrong."

www.smh.com.au/world/europe/it-began-at-the-pub-the-campaign-to-shame-brexit-s-biggest-donkeys-20190201-p50uzq.html

Looking at the comments, it seems that the readers of the Sydney Morning Herald are shocked that so many voters in the UK were conned, and that the UK government is determined to inflict terrible damage on the country because of this fraudulent referendum.

Nonnie Fri 01-Feb-19 16:14:51

On the tenth anniversary there will be a book and documentaries showing all the evidence of the corruption and lies. By then it will all be too late as there is currently no political will to push this.

I agree humpty rotten world we now live in.

humptydumpty Fri 01-Feb-19 15:46:18

Sending out a horrific message: as long as you get the result you want, you can do what you want, because the result will still be valid.

NotSpaghetti Fri 01-Feb-19 15:43:18

Why has this taken so long to investigate?
Because no one dare touch it.
?

EllanVannin Fri 01-Feb-19 15:35:54

I've always thought that the " Leaving " vote had shades of jiggery-pokery.

varian Fri 01-Feb-19 15:22:22

Last December, it was reported that- the “corrupt and illegal practices” of the Vote Leave campaign in the 2016 referendum undermine the validity of the decision to leave the EU, the high court has been told.

Relying on findings made by the Electoral Commission about overspending by the pro-Brexit campaign, British people living in Europe have launched a legal case arguing the referendum result should in effect be set aside.

“Breaches of spending rules are serious offences that vitiate the referendum result,” Jessica Simor QC, for the claimants, told the court. “Corruption and illegality in the course of an election or referendum must have a consequence. Corruption and illegal practices undermine the rule of law and democracy.”

There was significant overspending, data breaches and possibly Russian involvement in the referendum, she said. “The electorate can no longer be expected to respect the result.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/corrupt-vote-leave-campaign-undermines-brexit-vote-court-told

Today we learn that the information commissioner has launched an audit into Leave.EU and the insurance company owned by the campaign’s key financial backer, Arron Banks, after fining the organisations a total of £120,000 for data protection violations during the EU referendum campaign

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/01/leave-eu-arron-banks-insurance-company-fined-data-breaches-information-commissioner-audit

Why has this taken so long to investigate ? That fraudulent referendum should be declared invalid and Article 50 should immediately be revoked.