Fraudulent referendum

Since when, RosieLeah, were you put in control of the conduct of these threads?

As for the matter of Northern Ireland...if it is so important to them to have an open border with Eire, perhaps they need to ask themselves where their first loyalties lie?

For someone who claims to have lived in Ireland you show a staggering lack of understanding of the place and talk of 'loyalties' in this context has a rather ominous ring to it.

We are, incidentally, still all agog to hear about these petty EU rules which blight your life.

And now it would be interesting to know what you think of the ignorant tweet I posted earlier..

RosieLeah - you yourselves wrote:

'...the EU, with its petty little rules' - and I politely asked you to give exemples of those rules you mention.

And this is hard- because, again and again- Leavers say this- and yet, again and again, when asked to specify, they never ever answer. You didn't either. And if I do ask again, you will probably say, as Leavers always do, that they are being 'bullied'. And sometimes, in the end, some of us will turn to sarcasm, as James O'Brien did the other day on Twitter. He sarcastically said, and I can't blame him something like 'how amazing that people who got so upset about bent bananas, are now very happy that we won't be able to get bananas anymore'.

But the question, questions indeed, remain - and I know, will probably remain un-answered:

which rule/s?

1. Can you give ONE example of a EU law that has harmed Britain?
2. Can you give ONE example of a EU policy that has been imposed on Britain against the wishes of the UK government?
3. Can you give ONE example of how EU membership has harmed your personally?
4. Can you give ONE example of how leaving the EU will improve the quality of life for you and your family?

Day6 your post seems to imply that you think that those who voted remain are not as bright as those who voted leave.

Rosie as others have said it is what you posted on this thread that we would like an answer to please.

With any kind of soft Brexit, be it Mrs May's deal, or the unicorn one dreamt up by JC- or the Norway style deal...
we will still be bound to accept those rules, as well as free movement ... the only difference is that we won't have any say in them. All EU rules are made with all 28- and the UK always sat at the top table - all the rules had vetoes too, so we could have stopped them if we didn't want them. Not made by unelected penpushers, but our MEPs that we voted in (sadly a large % never bothered to take part in those European elections in the UK, but that is NOT the fault of the EU. And sadly of of those voted in harly ever went and never did his job )

Sadly, I don't think Rosie will come back to give examples, somehow.

Perhaps it is some of those, pages and pages, and more pages of them- peddled by the tabloid anti EU Press.

It’s well documented how much the British right-wing press has dedicated itself to scaremongering and anti-EU propaganda in the last 45 years. What is less well known is the sheer scale of this endless stream of lies.

Happily, last year the EU put together a marvellous site debunking these newspapers’ nonsense. Starting with falsehoods from the early 1990’s, the website has given officials in Brussels a chance to rebut media accusations and contains hundreds of reports that are based on inaccurate or misleading information.

These include legendary idiotic stories about curved bananas being banned, to the less well-known yet equally ludicrous one-size-fits-all “euro condom” story and the story of Britain being forced to get rid of pints, acres, inches, feet and pounds in favour of metric measurements.

To see for yourself how stupid they are, check out the full list below. And for all of their rebukes, head on over to the EU’s site.

Link, jura?

Sorry, here it is. Warning, there are pages and pages and more pages.

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Of course they cant give any example of “ petty little rules” and if they are so petty, why it is worth billions, thousands of jobs, a collapsing economy and so on.

Did you hear the Brexiter who called in to James O'Brien's show- and said 'if I want bananas, I'll just go up a mountain, climb up a tree and pick some!' - I wonder if those would be bent or straight ;)

Jura you do realize that bananas grow in South America,
South-East Asia Africa and the Caribbean Islands.

So quite how this James O'Brien thinks we will have difficulty obtaining bananas after we leave the EU is very strange.

Unless he is so brainwashed he believes all the above countries are in the EU.

Why do you assume that James O'Brien thinks we'll have difficulty obtaining bananas? According to jura's anecdote it was the Brexiter who mentioned them.

Of course, bananas grow on the flat, too...

Thank you Maizie. Yes, of course James never mentionned bananas- the programme discussed shortages, and this man phoned him and just offered this piece of wisdom.

Of course we could discuss now that even though bananas will be plentyful - importing them might not be so easy to import as now, for a myriad of reasons.

Eee Jura you're a one-off.
Where have you been and what have you been doing?

I didn't assume at all Maizie it was worded in a way that James O'Brien was saying that we would have difficulty obtaining bananas after we have left the EU.

And sometimes,in the end, some of us will turn to sarcasm, as James O'Brien did the other day on Twitter. He sarcastically said, and I can't blame him something like, 'how amazing that people who got so upset about bent bananas, are now very happy that we won't be able to get bananas anymore'.

I can only read this as James O'Brien saying it.

I was of course referring to Jura 10:03

Two totally separate occasions. The 'I'll go up a mountain, climb a tree and pick some' from a caller on James O'Brien's programme came a few days after he wrote this.

Fact is, some Brexiters have been saying they don't mind not having access to fresh produce from abroad, and that it will be good to tighten our belt, eat less, and only eat British produce (a lot of this I would agree with btw, for totally different reasons).

So, Jura, I did read your post of 10:03 correctly and you're saying it was this James O'Brien who said that we won't be able to get bananas any more.
Strange chap!!!

Now at 18:53 you are saying that bananas will be plentiful - importing them might not be so easy to import as now, for a myriad of reasons.

Can you give examples of the 'myriad of reasons' why we
won't find it easy to import our bananas from South America,
Africa, SoutEast Asia and the Caribbean.?

Do you think that we are suddenly going to forget how to import goods, after we leave the EU?

You won't forget how you used to do it.

It will be a very different ball or banana game, for sure, on WTO rules.

What are you talking about?
You won't forget how you used to do it.
This makes no sense to me at all.

You stated that it would be difficult to import bananas after we leave the EU and I asked you to state one of the myriad reasons.

And if course it will be different under WTO, why are you stating the obvious and trying to make it sound ominous.

I await your myriad reasons why it will not be as easy as now to import bananas.

I too was interested to hear about Rosieleahs “ pretty little rules “ as well. But she just changes the subject, so I assume than like all Brexiteers it really is just pregidice, lies and fantasy.
There is not one ounce of logic or sense in Brexit and we are going to end up being worse off than now, except for JRM and cronies of course.

BuffyBee, I am so sorry it does not make sense to you. It makes total sense to me- and I hope to many others to.

Businesses had about half a century of import/export as members of the EU- no tariffs, free flowing traffic at borders, unhindered flights in and out of the country, little red tape - they are very good at it, and very experienced.

WTO rules will change almost every aspect of import/export- really it is not hard to fathom.

The problem is that there is now an unknown quantity that is feared by politicians- perhaps we can call them the one-time voters OTV for short. The OTV came out and voted in the referendum and all the parties are now trying to work out how to attract the support of the OTVs. So they won't look at the referendum even if it was illegal, they won't be the ones to cancel article 50 because in doing so they will alienate the OTVs. So we stagger into a recession with jobs lost and an economy that will plummet because none of the politicians wants to be the adult and take responsibility.

I wish that Northern Ireland would merge with Ireland , And I wish that Scotland and England would continue to be main movers in Europe and full members of the Community.

As Jura pointed out, we had a democratic election when we elected our European MPs. I voted .

Brexit will make it difficult detect and detain international criminals.

Alexa there has been a lot on the news today about international criminals and how much harder it will be for our police to do their job if we leave the EU. It worries me too. All those people who want to stop EU immigration won't be able to stop international criminals.

I can't agree about NI and Eire joining up as one country. We didn't give the Falklands away why would we give away NI? Why would we reject a huge group of UK citizens?