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Poll results from Labour First

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Anniebach Mon 04-Feb-19 11:59:59

Labour First carried out a poll, your 3 favourite labour MP’s
Every MP was listed .

1st. Corbyn 10.1%. 1,575 votes

2nd Yvette Cooper 9.6% 1,499 votes

3rd. Starmer. 7.5%. 1,170 votes

4th. McDonald. 6.8%. 1,065 votes

5th, .lammy. 5.6%. 866 votes

6th. Hilary Benn. 5.3%. 829 votes

7th Diane Abbott. 3.8%. 591 votes

8th Thornberry. 3%. 468 votes

9th Chuka Umunna 2.4% 369 votes

10th Angela Rayner. 1.9%. 296 votes

Grandad1943 Tue 05-Feb-19 16:52:11

lemongrove, membership of the Labour party is still above half a million. Considering the antisemitism allegations that have been levied against the party, along with the Brexit situation, the above figure is indeed a very real achievement.

Against that, what do we have in the ERG/Conservative party a "claimed membership of around one hundred thousand with some analysts doubting it is even that.

As I have already stated on this forum, there is a feeling in the Labour party/movement that a more charismatic leader is required I believe. However, do not underestimate the loyalty that the grassroots have towards Corbyn, for he has remained loyal to the party conference policy on Brexit even though that has cost him dear. In that, those rank and file members will continue to stand with Corbyn.

There will be no going back to the days of Blair and Brown when often low paid trade union members financed the party through their affiliation subscription, while the executive did a "Cosy up" to the bankers

Anniebach Tue 05-Feb-19 16:53:51

Pity previous leaders hadn’t told Corbyn to ‘ bugger off’ , we would still have a Labour Party

Anniebach Tue 05-Feb-19 16:55:43

I would settle for an honest leader

lemongrove Tue 05-Feb-19 16:59:12

I realise the LP still has a high membership, but I read that the numbers are dropping, and members not renewing.
Corbyn ( or the LP) should be much much higher in the polls at this stage than they are, which is neck and neck with the Conservatives.If there was to be a GE it would result in a hung Parliament again.

POGS Tue 05-Feb-19 17:32:14


" POGS, in regard to your post @ 14:52 today (05/02/18) it is very unlike you to place on this forum what can only be described as "a rant."

A RANT! Oh dear the points I raised must have hit a nerve if your response is to try and belittle.

Well Grandad I have been doing so for over 2 years now , when it became blatantly clear so quickly what the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum group as they were back then were up to.

Do you remember the Channel 4 Dispatches programme on Momentum in 2016 as just one example? We all heard from the horses mouth in that programme Momentum were calling for a major ' Deselection Prorocess ' back then.
Some posters did not believe it would ever happen but they were wrong .

POGS Tue 05-Feb-19 17:40:20


" those MPs who have continuously acted against the elected leadership and policies brought forward by the same, should in the view of many be de-selected. In that, if they had any respect for themselves, the electorate and the party that gave them their standing they would have resigned long ago."

You mean like Corbyn should have had respect for himself and resigned every time he voted against the Labour Leader in the past. He was known for back bench rebellious attitude but I never heard anybody call for his ' Deselection '.

So why should it be the case only some should resign ?

You are bringing the subject back to Labour is a ' Broad Church ' argument. It might have been , before the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Labour Party was formed.

Grandad1943 Tue 05-Feb-19 20:23:42

POGS in response to your posts @ 17:32 and 17:40 today (05/02/18) then I feel that you and others on this forum do not recognise or accept the fundamental changes that have come about in the Labour party and the broader Labour movement in recent years. Jeremy Corbyn did indeed vote against the Labour leadership many times during the Blair/Brown era. However, those "rebellions" were rarely reported in the media and Corbyn never tried to make that otherwise.

In the above, those that are causing the current problems in the parliamentary Labour party continually draw the attention of the media to their activities, and that has caused huge resentment against them within the party and the broader Labour movement in the country.

It also has to be seen that since the electoral defeats of 2010 and 2014 the trade unions, primarily through their grassroots activist, have been determined that never again shall it be that they will fund a Labour party that has no commitment to their interests such as that which occurred during the twelve years of Blair/Brown government. In that, not once did Blair ever address any trade union conference and not one section of the numerous Thatcher anti-trade union legislative acts was rescinded.

However, with Corbyns election as leader of the Parliamentary Labour party, he backed the unions and other rank and file demands for far greater democracy in the party. Therefore the Labour National executive has been greatly expanded to include many more who represent the Broad base of the movement, and the annual conference has been expanded similarly to add many more of the above representatives.

Therefore and as stated, the present Labour party is not in any way similar to the party of Blair and Brown or even that of Edd Miliband as its leader. The fundamental changes that have been brought about will not be reversed in my opinion, and those that cannot accept those changes are most certainly unwelcome in the party.

Further in my opinion (for what it is worth) even if the Labour party were to be defeated in the next general election, still things would not change. In that, the grassroots of the of the movement most definitely feel that in twelve years of government they received nothing from a Labour party administration they financed throughout that time. Indeed they witnessed Blair and his cronies "cosy up" to the bankers that brought this country to its knees in 2008.

To add to the above, the trade unions have achieved in the last eighteen months significant victories through the courts in regard to people employed in the Gig Economy. Although that battle is not entirely over at this point in time, it is i believe making those unions wonder if the Parliamentary party is as essential to their future as has been believed for very many years. The Gig Economy has been seen as the most significant threat to the trade union movement in recent times. Should they bring about the end of that those awful employment conditions without the aid of Parliment or the parliamentary labour Party, then a big change of attitude and in that rank and file policy could be on the cards?

I feel that first evidence of that change may have seen yesterday when Jeney Formy told the NEC and the parliamentary Labour Party some home truths regarding anti-semitism in the movement that many did not wish to hear.

For the future watch that space, or should it be that office.

POGS Tue 05-Feb-19 20:45:33


"POGS in response to your posts @ 17:32 and 17:40 today (05/02/18) then I feel that you and others on this forum do not recognise or accept the fundamental changes that have come about in the Labour party and the broader Labour movement in recent years""
Au contraire

We do recognise and accept the fundamental changes in the Labour Party but whilst those changes suit some they have been too much for others.

Yes the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Labour Party unquestionably has done an excellent job in recruitment to the grass roots by both new and' return ' Labour members and of course those who were kicked out decades ago but have found a new voice .

Labour will possibly split in two and the far left of the party will keep the Labour Party name but I wonder if the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Labour Party had ' openly ' fought as a far left / Marxist party it would have gotten this far ?

Anniebach Tue 05-Feb-19 22:37:03

I most certaintly wouldn’t have voted for him the first time, feel so betrayed , if I had known he was working against the party following 1983 election or invited leaders of the IRA to Westminster following the Brighton bombing when his colleagues were grieving, no way.