Corbyn's true colours revealed - "Defeat' the EU!"

Companies are as nervous of the prospect of a Corbyn government maybe as early as June, every bit, if not more so, than a no deal Brexit, hence the threat of relocating. Yes all the political parties have agitated for a referendum during the last ten years or so! To hear them now you wouldn't think so, but in fact they have!!!
Just finished listening to TM in the H of C and thought she was brilliant! Poor old Jeremy just read his notes, got predictably angry, and was clearly as usual way out of his depth! I almost felt sorry for him! but not quite!!!

Anja 'Clever stuff from the far right wing of GN.....blame the fiasco over Brexit on Jeremy!'

the FAR RIGHT - oh my how do you come to this conclusion- flaming Norah ???

Grandad- he could have come out and explained to the LP that despite Manifesto and Conference- it is (has been for a long time) now clear that the Referendum was won on lies and fraud, with a tiny minority- and that the FACTS now clearly indicate Brexit would hurt the most vulnerable- those in traditional industries, those in agriculture. He could have clearly made the point that what made them vote for Leave- is actually nought to do with the EU- but all to do with austerity and this Tory Gvt.

As Lammy, Chukka, Anna, Emily, etc, etc and even Starmer to some extent, and many others have done - and that now the facts are clear- he just cannot support this deal and in particular NO Deal- and not have left it too late. He didn't get a vote of no confidence, nor a GE - but now he wants Brexit to go through. turn into a disaster, see Mrs May down - then get his chance. This is WRONG - and most LP members know this. And 1000s have left or are leaving- as I have. I have joined both Lib Dems and Greens - but with the FPP system in the UK - a vote for them will probably be wasted.

If Labour had the guts and the honesty to join up with them and SNP - Tories would be finished- and so would Brexit.

There is absolutely NO reason whatsoever why JC would be able to get a deal which would have all the advantages, and none of the responsibilities of the EU. NONE whatsoever.

I belonged to a group to discuss those issues- but again and again, they said 'don't worry JC will see us right at the last minute- don't worry he can get a magical deal (as described above) all the +s, none of the -s. And now ... it's too late oh dear.

blame the fiasco over Brexit on Jeremy!

What rubbish - ANYONE trying to extricate the UK from the clutches of Brussels would not have had it any easier, or any more straightforward.

The chances are, any PM, of whatever political persuasion would have been stabbed with exactly the same parliamentary knives May has felt. The EU and Remainers have done all in their power to thwart the process - including Corbyn who isn't quite sure exactly where he stands. As a lifelong Eurosceptic his supporting Labour Remainers is a total betrayal of his long held principles.

That is the discussion. Corbyn is not to be trusted or believed. He does not have the courage of his convictions.

His mission, is to get hard left Socialists/Marxists into Number 10 Downing Street, by hook or by crook.

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PS The OP has demonstrated her political stance over and over again

As have you Anja and most of the people who contribute to the News and Politics threads.

Talk about stating the bleedin' obvious....

'Clever stuff from the far right wing of GN.


If someone does not support Jeremy Corbyn then they must be of the far right persuasion!

There is a world of moderate reasonableness in between Corbyn and Mogg!

stop Britain "crashing out" of Europe without a deal

Oh Grandad please come up with something original.

If we leave the EU with No Deal, we will not be "crashing out". We will be fully part of the WTO, as are practically every trading nation in the world, including the EU and it's member states.

The dramatic "crashing out" phrase has already been dismissed as Remainer rhetoric aided and abetted by Project Fear.

The Independent reports

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-video-eu-defeat-labour-party-speech-world-bankers-a8774426.html

The Labour MP claimed the EU had worked in cahoots with “the world’s bankers” in creating unemployment and called on all those campaigning for “peace, justice and socialism” to oppose the bloc

Five days ago a separate video emerged of Mr Corbyn speaking in 2009 in which he argued that the Lisbon Treaty would create a “military Frankenstein”.

He went on that if the treaty was blocked it would be “such a boost to people like us” who “do not want to live in a European empire of the 21st century.

Read it and weep, Remainers.

Jeremy's young fan club has no idea how Eurosceptic he really is.

Day 6- how can WTO rules, made by Bureaucrats in Geneva, who are not elected- and where we have NO SAY WHATSOEVER - be seen as getting back control?

How can Trump insisting we drop animal welfare, safety, and pollutant control - and the NHS- in exchange for a deal- be 'getting back control'?

How can having to do the same (minus NHS) to India + China, etc, +1000s of visas - be getting back control?

How can missing out on the Japan Deal just started with Japan and EU- be ...

and on, and on ...

^stop Britain "crashing out" of Europe without a deal>

Oh Grandad please come up with something original.

Perhaps you could come up with something original, Day6, instead of this:

The EU and Remainers have done all in their power to thwart the process

It's complete and utter rubbish.

Unlike grandad's 'crashing out' statement which every single sane person with a modicum of brain can see would be a complete and utter disaster. All the 'experts', apart from a very few, are singing from the same hymn sheet; trade negotiators, former WTO personnel, top civil servants, the Treasury, professors of economics and professors of EU law; people who've done just a little bit more than read Brexit Central and listen to ignorant politicians; people who actually know how trade negotiations, the law and international treaties actually work.

They're not diehard Remainers trying to put a spanner in the works, they're people with vast experience in the fields which affect all aspects of trade and the EU.

Of course, Leavers take their lead from those in the forefront of the Leave movement. Here's Lord Digby Jones on twitter, sounding like a petulant toddler, 'It's all their fault, nothing to do with us'.

This guy used to be DG of the CBI, didn't he? Is this how business is conducted? By a set of whining 'it's not fair' teenagers?

Hey Mr Tusk. Those who pushed for Brexit did have a plan but it required your lot not to bully the UK, for Remoaners & the Establishment not to sabotage the wish of the majority & for Jezza’s mob not to play tribal party politics with a major National issue.

They didn't have a plan They didn't have a plan because the Leave factions didn't agree on how 'exit' should be achieved. They still don't. All they agreed on was what an evil monster the EU was and how it posed deep and serious threats to the life we used to lead in the 1970s...

One of DJ''s more memorable assertions, pre referendum, was 'not a single job will be lost'. I don't think that was true.

" TalkRADIO has unearthed footage from the Durham Miners Gala in 2010, where Jeremy Corbyn called for the European Union, among a raft of other international organisations to be ‘defeated’. "
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No surprise because the Bennite / far left Labour MP's such as Corbyn were known for being totally EUROSCEPTIC as were the Unions at that time.

Fast forward to the Durham Miners Gala after Corbyn became Leader and they talk of Labour MP's being ' TRAITORS who they refuse to share their platform with.

The legacy of the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Labour Party.

Corbyn could well be described as "unreconstructed".

Although his suspiciously lukewarm support for Remain in the referendum has allowed him to fence-sit ever since, his attitudes to foreign countries remains firmly out of date.

He cannot bring himself to condemn Hammas, or Maduras and seems not to have realised that the USSR no longer exists and Russia is not a communist country, so could never condemn Putin for interfering in the EU referendum or even helping Trump get elected (after all Putin used to be a communist so he must be OK really).

Jeremy Corbyn has not sat on the fence in this Brexit crisis; he has remained aligned to the Brexit policy set out by the Labour party conference which was drawn up by the twelve thousand voting delegates that attended that conference. In that, Corbyn has received criticism even though he has been carrying out his role as the leader of the parliamentary party to fulfil the laid out directives of the party Conference being it is the highest policy-making body in the Labour movement.

However, Corbyn last weekend moved towards this shambles of a government in an attempt to form some agreement that will stop Britain "crashing out" of Europe without a deal. That done, What does Corbyn receive for that move, criticism from within his own party for moving away from the Conference policy.

Further to the above, Theresa May then rejects his move out of hand to appease the Tory party rabid right wing, even though the European Union Negotiators advised they felt there was much in Corbyns letter that would make a basis for further discussion.

However, it matters little what happens in the Labour party, as they are not the party of government, for that accolade is held by a division ridden Tory party.

In the above, that government is made up of a Conservative party where the above-mentioned divisions in the party have taken this nation to the very edge of economic disaster. Today (13/02/18) the Ford Motor Corporation have stated that if Britain should leave the EU without a customs union, then it will have to consider the future of all its assembly plants in the UK.

The above should be thought on in conjunction with the thirty major food manufacturers and distributors who earlier this week wrote to the government stating bluntly that they cannot continue production and distribution as normal while in the grip of all the uncertainty over Brexit. Those companies need to gain certainty for forward planning, processing and ordering even from outside the EU. In that, what do they witness, Theresa May again kicking the can down the road while trying to keep the rabid right of the Tory party quiet.

Party before country. Self-interest before national interest. What a "bunch of Bozos" this Tory party is.

oh grandad

'Jeremy Corbyn has not sat on the fence in this Brexit crisis; he has remained aligned to the Brexit policy set out by the Labour party conference which was drawn up by the twelve thousand voting delegates that attended that conference.'

circumstances have changed - lies have happened, fraud, and so much more. And now we all know about it, and we also know leaving with No deal will be a disaster, and cause massive problems with the UK/Irish border.

So yes, this Government is to blame- yes, this Government is an absolute and total shambles....

the majority of Labour party members have realised now- and so many MPs and seniro colleagues too. Corbyn could embrace that and explain why, it is not possible or good to go ahead. But he won't.

He wants Brexit, he wants it to turn out to be a disaster and to bring Mrs May down - so that there will be a GE. In the meantime, the country will go down the pan, the economy will go down the pan we will become vassals of WTO, Trump and so many more- and even then - he won't win.

and we will never, ever have the same favourable terms- better than anyone's, we have got now. Germany +++

jura2, the circumstances surrounding Brexit have not changed, but the time frame has. Therefore the circumstances that formed the basis of the Labour party conference pol has remained the same, and I believe if there were to be a recall conference the policy would remain the same.

However, while some on this forum seem to try to lay this whole Brexit debacle at the door of Jeremy Corbyn, he has, in reality, played no part, for he is not the Prime Minister and the Labour Party are not the party of government.

It is the Tories that are the party of government and solely and totaly responsible for the crisis this nation now faces.

As stated Coryn and the Labour party have played absolutely no role in bringing that about.

Apologies should be "policy" above not "pol"

No rôle in bringing it about- but aiding and abetting all the way to disaster.

A recall of conference policy would, I am absolutely sure, be very different. But Conference did say there would be a Peoples' Vote if a vote of no confidence did not lead to a GE.

This is what LP members have said all along- don't worry, he is playing the long game, he will stop it - and now say 'ooops oh dear, too late'.

jura2, I seem to recall that Jeremy Corbyn brought about a vote "of no confidence" in this government only two weeks ago. However, the Tory party along with their DUP cronies voted down that motion for no other reason than self-preservation

As most political analysts agreed, that was the only occasion when such a no-confidence motion had any chance of success; I cannot feel that Corbyn could have acted differently prior to that vote.

Corbyn has remained aligned to the conference policy on Brexit and the grassroots of the movement criticised him when he moved away from that.

However, Theresa May has totaly rejected his move, so the position is now as previous to his letter to her.

Therfore, it is once again that this crisis is entirely in the hands of this shambles of a government, and as it was entirely of their making all criticism should be directed towards those numpties that make up this government and nowhere else.

as you say, same old, same old.

And the result will be - No Deal. And he could stop it. And as such, I will make him responsible, as well.

jura2 Quote [ as you say, same old, same old.

And the result will be - No Deal. And he could stop it. And as such, I will make him responsible, as well.] End Quote

jura2, regarding your above post, please inform me how Jeremy Corbyn could "could stop a no deal Brexit" in view of the fact that he is not in any way part of this government ????

I have- several times.

jura2, I still cannot see how any person who is not part of this government or the DUP can prevent the administration carrying out any policy that it wishes.

Grandad

Are you are trying to tell us the old twaddle that gets trotted out when a politician does a screaming u turn, looses his/her conviction ??

' Corbyn ' has been on a journey '.