Younger people’s views beyond March 2019.

Annie29
Should we then allow 16 yr olds to vote and ban 70+ yr olds?

Retired65 evidence please because if all that is true we are better out. Young people would not consider anyone only themselves in a referendum. But they are not the only ones affected by the outcome.

My 10 year old DGC are good at debating.
Should they be allowed to vote?

It is their future at stake.

grannygranby
How many married 16yr olds with a child or children, rely on state or parents to provide them with a home and money...or are the ones you know self-sufficient and holding down jobs which pay all their bills and housing costs?
Children far younger than 16 are biologically capable of having children themselves but it doesn't mean they are capable of making a meaningful contribution to society or indeed voting.

It would just be a way of fudging the original vote to allow 16 year old to vote. We are a democracy x we vote here at 18 x Get over it

Gabrielle that is misleading, 'some' immigrants (EU only relevant) may not speak good English but experience tells me that most of them do. It is also a fact that EU immigrants are net givers to the system and pay in more than they take out. I suspect this is because so many are young and do not need school places and are in good health.

starbird why don't you have a say at the ballot box? Are you not British?

The People's is the democratic way forward for several reasons.
Roughly 44 million where entitled to vote in 2016 though around 11 million chose through a mix of apathy and genuinely not knowing which way to vote. Of the 44 millions around 2 million have since died. A similar number of younger voters are now eligible. The demographic has changed and we know a lot more now.

The future belongs to the young more than us oldies. So they are owed a say.

The 2016 poll was suspect and so many lies were told as to make it unworthy of glib acceptance.

As regards voting age, voter understanding is more important but impossible to judge so we can only accept the age criteria. The young over 16 are just as aware as those of our generation.

The referendum is more important than a general election. It cannot be left to a dithering labour party or to right wing faction of the Tories. A fresh vote may still say LEAVE but it would most likely say REMAIN.

I do to a point think a second vote would be a good idea now that we are all better informed. I voted to stay. But, and its a big but, what happens if its a close call again, but this time narrowly to stay? I just fear it would divide the country even further. And we would still be in limbo.

Nonnie
I assume that your last post was directed to me (and another)
Please get my name right. It's Gabriella not Gabrielle.

*GabriellaG54:
”Many immigrants don't even speak English and wouldn't be able to make an informed opinion as they wouldn't be able to read or understand the news, nor would they have an understanding of past politics which led us to this impasse”.*

I think your above comment actually applies to quite a few Brits. They may speak basic English but have poor command of the written language and little knowledge of their own history. History is an optional subject at key stage 4 in our schools.

A second referendum is undemocratic because it ignores the vote the first time round. We were informed by David Cameron, who was Prime Minister at the time, that the result of the vote would be implemented. Referendums are advisory, we all know that, but the Prime Minister at the time told us the result would be implemented. Therefore it should be implemented. A second referendum is not any more ‘a people’s vote’ than than the first one was, who on earth voted if it was not the people? We were lied to, well that’s true. We were lied to by both sides, remain and leave. The demographic is different now, well of course it is. Some elderly people have died, and sadly some younger people will also have died. Sixteen year olds are now eighteen and therefore now eligible to vote. That’s the only change to the demographic situation, and that changes slightly every year. Basically it’s undemocratic to hold a second referendum because it ignores the first referendum. The people who are calling for a second referendum are unwilling to accept the result of the first referendum. What happens if they also don’t like the result of the second referendum, or if the result is then remain, what if the leavers don’t like that decision and campaign for a third referendum?
We were told by the then Prime Minister that the result of the referendum would be implemented, that is the only democratic way forward.

SunnySusie

I think your lecturer was not even handed. My understanding is that the EU buys more from us than we buy from them and will want to continue doing so. That is one of the reasons they are making it so difficult for us to leave ( plus our money comes in useful).

Also, those that say that under a no deal Brexit we will have lower standards on human rights, shoddy goods etc, are insulting the integrity of the British people and its government. Had we not been in the EU we would still be concerned about these values and have made our own laws - perhaps better ones.

Greta
I agree with your comment.

I totally agree with you Minxie.

Nonnie- No I did not make it up. Information from Facebook: And from 2022 the Lisbon Treaty comes into FULL affect when Britains sovereignty is taken over by the eu & we automatically have to accept €uro currency & the £ sterling will be confined to history... See: Daily Telegraph &
en.euabc.com/upload/books/lisbon-treaty-3edition.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3bdxz1ZKBX9i_z4Uw8s75n4dWj5zVlNo2qdxpaN_fhLrW8w1BSzuhW2QU

& www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156870671174378&set=basw.AbqFa4gE7wwajWP6z7r5lBS5yCHVDkV-3GDNUtT02pNxij5BAx6kHYQYtAmXmREvc7woBSbzzJQSJ07omk_pa5r4vD_Ywtltss4ZSPkoqSsh3FVn40qDCn2ICurifoMiuucd4j2UW5YSTejZ9n-XaJSc.10205420

Well said Maddyone, I totally agree with you.

I agree minxie.

You can't keep having more referenda, by any other name, just because you didn't like the result of the first one! I didn't like it when Tony Blair was PM for 10 years but I had to accept it was the will of the people at the time of those general elections. All you Remainers just need to accept that you lost.

Christopher Everard on Facebook
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The LISBON TREATY says that in the year 2022 - only 3 years from now - all countries in Europe will be forced to use the EURO COIN, and will have ONE court - the European Court - and all national parliaments of Europe can be over-ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and European judges - neither of whom are democratically elected. There will be ONE national flag - the European flag. The EU will have the power to tax ALL EU citizens.

There will also be an EU army.

Everything cakebaker said. Great post.

paddyann: I'm not sure why you think I'm being patronising. You always rise to the defence of Scotland - good for you! But I think you shouldn't have quite such a large chip on your shoulder. I don't think there are as many as a million English in Scotland (more like half that) but in any event you should be grateful as your population is so small that you probably need them. Just London has about twice as many people as the whole of Scotland. I believe there are about a million Scots living in England.
And of course I'm not saying that we shouldn't use planes, cars, etc; I'm just trying to point out that our generation didn't very much and our footprint on the planet is comparatively light. By the way, I think Scotland is a beautiful country but a bit reluctant to visit it any more as
the Scots seem to be so anti-English

The state of the average 16 year old is not one of maturity even at 18 they still seem like children not accepting the responsibility to feed clothe and pay for their own lives.
And I mean the average they are not all the same.because of that I would put the age at 21 at least.
21 is the age when the two halves of our brain started to work together, it is more like 25 now.
I understand it would be difficult to put it back to 21 but to give 16 year olds the vote would be wrong.

Ref results

Retired65, I suggest you double check what you read on Facebook before repeating what, in this case, is incorrect. How can any vote show the will of the people when their choices are made on false information such as this?

Oh, and for those of you who mentioned you can get married at 16 but can't vote. I want the legal age for marriage to be raised to 50. Would've saved me a whole lot of hassle.

(tongue in cheek)