UK politics and Russian money

I like the Russians alot. bring on their investment along with the Chinese and the USA into GB.

Exciting new times,, great news



fab

jura

" is not a question of not being able to enact the February 2014 Referendum on limiting Freedom of Movement, as agreed in our reciprocal agreements with the EU.
The Swiss Government looked at the possible consequences, for our economy, industry, innovation and research programmes, which are all EU linked, and so much more, and realised it would be folly to implement it- especially as there was a tiny majority.
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In other words the rights of the the people to hold a Democratic Referendum and expect the Government to act on their decision was overruled by the Swiss Government because of the bilateral agreements that tie Switzerland to the European Union. The EU trounces what the people want because they are no longer ' Sovereign ' no matter how much they think they are.

It makes a mockery of Refendums and Democracy.

andycameron69, a turkey voting for Christmas.

POGS ' The EU trounces what the people want because they are no longer ' Sovereign ' no matter how much they think they are.

It makes a mockery of Refendums and Democracy.'

again, NO you are wrong. It was up to the Swiss to decide - they looked at what the Referendum would do to the country, and made the wise decision not to go forward with it. THEY made the decision, not the EU. They could have decided to implement and pay the un-acceptable and massively damaging price - but they chose not to. This is how Swiss Law and Government works.

It is totally fair for the EU to say - you are part of the Club and abide by the rules, or you leave- but you can't cherry pick. Same with any Club or Association.

jura

" It is totally fair for the EU to say - you are part of the Club and abide by the rules, or you leave- but you can't cherry pick. Same with any Club or Association."
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That is exactly what happened and that is my point.

Any Referendum in Switzerland, of which I believe there are many, will be worthless if the Referendum result clashes with the EU . The bi-lateral treaty between Switzerland and the EU is more important than the peoples vote in a Referendum , if it was not then the Swiss government would have enacted the referendum result to limit immigration in 2014.

jura

Not sure how why this being debated other than I asked you a question re the topic of Russian Money :-

" Remind us Jura where is your country Switzerland standing over adopting the Magnitsky Act and providing a list ? "

Did you answer?

Pogs +1 .

MPs call for government to examine Russian influence on Brexit

news.sky.com/story/mps-call-for-government-to-examine-russian-influence-on-brexit-11640694

A parliamentary inquiry into disinformation has called on the government to investigate the Russian state's attempts to influence the EU referendum.

The digital, culture, media and sport committee of MPs published its report on disinformation and fake news, examining the broad range of harms, including voter manipulation which can be conducted online.

Among the most contentious topics the committee has investigated has been the work of Leave-supporting campaigns ahead of the Brexit vote.

No POGS I did not answer- because it is totally irrelevant to this thread.

We are here talking about Fraud, dodgy money, foreign interference - re Brexit. Thanks.

russian and chinese money boosts our fabulous country.

excellent

Wow - I have time travelled back to the 60s - anything happens someone doesn't like - blame the Russians!

The novachok attack in Salisbury did not happen in the 1960s.

I thought it did

People who think the EU have been bullies yet want to have closer ties with China and Russia have a shock coming.

don't mind a shock

The Banks Files: Brexit funder urged campaign to “press it harder” after Jo Cox murder.

Despite an agreement by all groups to suspend campaigning in the aftermath of Jo Cox’s death, Arron Banks instructed the social media team at Leave.EU to “boost” an existing sponsored Facebook ad.

www.channel4.com/news/the-banks-files-brexit-funder-urged-campaign-to-press-it-harder-after-jo-cox-murder

This Channel 4 News item about the brexit donor Arron Banks is certainly shocking

How Brexit ‘bad boy’ Arron Banks was eyeing a massive Russian gold deal

Over the last year Arron Banks has been forced repeatedly to change his story about his relationship with Russia, the number of meetings he had with Kremlin representatives and oligarchs, and the lucrative deals he was offered in the run up to the Brexit referendum. (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)

But this programme has seen new documents which show that Arron Banks and his associates did try to cut a lucrative multi-billion dollar Russian gold deal dangled by a close associate of President Putin in the Russian embassy.

Mr Banks has repeatedly denied chasing any business deals whatsoever.

But we can reveal tonight the apparent lengths the Russians went to to cultivate the "bad boy of Brexit" and the efforts he made to seal a lucrative gold deal.

The source of his original Brexit donation is now the subject of an extensive National Crime Agency investigation.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzlyXAKHkno

we will be able to trade on our own terms with the who;e world once we leave the unelected EU

Celebrate

good times ahead

Yes, we will become the vassals dancing to the tune of those we will have to beg for deals- like Trump and so many others. Have to accept their poor and dangerous husbandry and hygiene, hormones, antiobtics, pesticides, beekilling insecticides and so much more ...

Oh and 1000s upon 1000s of immigration visas - now I don't mind that, personally- but perhaps not what Leavers voted for. Not if you see the front pages of the DM and others.

Russia has publicly restricted itself to diplomatic pronouncements on the subject of Brexit. Its critics are not convinced of its sincerity. Even before the June 2016 referendum on the UK's EU membership took place, the British Foreign Secretary (and now Chancellor of the Exchequer, or Finance Minister) Philip Hammond suggested in a speech at the Chatham House think tank, "In fact, the only country who would like us to leave the EU is Russia. That should tell us all we need to know."

www.forbes.com/sites/jamesrodgerseurope/2018/12/10/brexit-is-russia-getting-what-it-wanted/#19f643294cc7

Russia's aim is to de-stabilise the West and brexit is a key part of that strategy. Do not expect any hand-wringing in the Kremlin over any medicine shortages which could happen her if brexit is not stopped. That is exactly what Putin is trying to achieve.

cannot stop Brexit...

out we go

This article shows clearly the link between Brexit and Trump, via Analytica and more- FRAUD and more FRAUD:

www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy?fbclid=IwAR3wZs0ndVF0iKEfFoorRI4gi7Odyn9BYQCcof4WpTvVFLYogRBlnvq_GNw

The speed of technological development has coincided with a crisis of confidence in institutions and the media in the West. This has enabled foreign countries intent on destabilising democratic institutions to take advantage of this crisis. There has been clear and proven Russian influence in foreign elections, and we highlighted evidence in our Interim Report of such attempts in the EU Referendum.

It is interesting to note that, as of 30 November 2018, the online Government response to our Report received a total of 1,290 unique page views and the PDF has been visited 396 unique times from the website.265 In the month following its publication, over 63% of views of the report online were from foreign IP addresses (whereas, on average, 80% of viewers of Reports are UK-based), and of these, over half were from Russia. Furthermore, two-thirds of viewers were new visitors, meaning they had not visited the parliament.uk website before (in comparison with the majority of Reports, where only around 30% are new visitors).

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmcumeds/1791/179109.htm

Oh I do say, Russian and Chinese money help boost our economy, very positive