Breakaway Labour MP’s

I don’t think so Mycatisahaker, momentum are at work now .

Mike Gapes has been a PM for 27 years , he is 62 years old

Davidhs Tue 19-Feb-19 07:13:15

' Is antisemitism really an issue that affects how the average person votes because personally I don’t give a sod,'
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And Anniebach is the one being called out for saying :-

" I am quite aware of the views of Corbynites , they choose to dismiss racism I do not".

Couldn' t make it up!

Well it’s been shown that corbynites do condone racism unless you think Jewish MPs, the Jewish council and many complainers are all lying?

Tom watson the deputy leader and Emily Thornbury agreed with him. I can’t see why you can’t compute. Baffling.

I do agree these 7 should have by elections though as I don’t think it’s acceptable to leave your party but keep taking that salary without going back to your constituency whatever party you leave.

I think the 7 would do well and most of them would win.

This band of 7 - They all want a second vote, except one that involves a by-election!

I will not support racism for the sake of unity or anything else . Racism is vile, evil, wicked, ok ?

Mycatisahacker Annie said , I am quite aware of the views of Corbynites , they choose to dismiss racism I do not
You may be unaware that it has been a long-time policy of Annie's to label anyone left wing as a "Corbynite" I have often been called that and frequently a communist - neither of which I am. By saying what she did Annie was (as always) attacking anyone who has views slightly to the left of hers. It is interesting that untill the Iraq war most left wing Labour supporters tried to stand behind Tony Blair, for the sake of unity but those on the right of the party are unable to behave with similar restraint.

Labour candidate selections will start in the seven constituencies next week.

And as far as I can see Anniebach hasn’t made any personal remarks! It was remarked that she was spluttering.

IF you support the Labour Party as it if now and don’t want to be called out for condoning anti senisemitism and bullying then leave the party or wear the cap.

Indeed my view is anyone who remains in the Labour Party by default are condoning anti Semitism they just don’t want to look in the mirror.

Shameful.

I am waiting for Tom Watson to resign. I thought he looked very very upset and angry yesterday and embarrassed to be associated with today’s labour. He’s a decent bloke I hope he listens to his conscience

Mycatisahaker it has been explained this morning - there are only a small number of anti semites in the party !

So that’s ok it seems

That Derrick Hutton has been let back into the party says it all. Utterly disgraceful

So business as usual in labour then? Racist attacks, security for women at their own party conference, bullying, intimidation and vitriol.

Business as usual in Tory land. Austerity hard Brexit the ERG!!!

And you think a centre party isn’t needed?

I think you may find atom watson, Anna Soubery and many many others resigning and many many business leaders like Alan sugar etc willingly back this new party.

Rowantree I have not referred to any poster, you referred to me spluttering , so which of us should not make personal comments

Excellent post,*trisher*.

Annie It seems that sometimes cannot resist making offensive or hurtful comments towards those you disagree with. It might help if you softened your tone a little.

trisher I'm not concerned that he might change party policy. I'm concerned that the likes of the Daily Hate and anyone seeking to further de-stabilise the Labour Party might use his return as Evidence Against - which is why I'm wondering... why now?

Annie please will you stop making accusations about other posters. No one has "dismissed racism" As I have often posted my very left wing aquaintances are among the most active people in the country working to stop racism and protesting about those who promote it.
You have posted about attacks on Jewish communities and that is terrible, but where I live it is the Muslim community who have suffered, have been subject to attacks and verbally abused. And the very left wing (communists even) are constantly working to support and stand with them.

Rowantree I agree with so much of your posts.
My son left Labour for the Green Party as well.
As for Hatton returning really it can be regarded as inconsequential and a bit of a joke. He was a Marxist, apparently now he isn't. He is a broadcaster and some say (he denies it) a property developer in Cyprus. But really is he going to change party policy ? Of course he's not. Perhaps he's a true example of "Anyone who isn't a socialist at 20 hasn't a heart, anyone who isn't a capitalist at 30 hasn't a head"
(I realise this is almost a misquote and there are lots of versions of it.)

At any other time, it might have been right for the seven to resign and stand for re-election, but right now the country is on the brink of catastrophe and the last thing we need is the dsistraction of by-elections.

Brexit must be stopped for the good of our children and grandchildren, That is the top priority. Then there are so many other serious issues to be addressed as a matter of urgency..

Rowantree I assure you I am not spluttering, I am comfortable with my decision, I am quite aware of the views of Corbynites , they choose to dismiss racism I do not

They claim they have no funding. As yet.

What I find amazing (not) about GNers who support this group is that the group are anti-democratic in that they won’t accept the referendum result, they won’t go back to their constituencies and give them the choice as to whether they want them or not as independent MPs and they won’t declare who is funding them. Apart from that, what’s not to like?

ab I was at that Conference as well

Brexit is the single most divisive issue for decades. The whole country is in a total mess and whilst it's all being fought over, other urgent issues aren't being tackled adequately, or at all. Too late to grumble we should never have had any such referendum; we are here at the cliff edge. It's a long time since the political arena has been more bitter.

Re Corbyn. I know I'm in the minority here but I believe he was and still is sincere in his aims, hopes and policies and he increased the membership of the Labour party enormously. He has been undermined since his shock election as leader and there is no need to go over old ground as to why. Our interpretations and reasons differ widely. His stance on Brexit has been and continues to be poor and out of step with the membership but I also feel the whole Remain camp needed to up their game far, far earlier in the proceedings and go into exactly why it wasn't a simple matter of rhetoric, as in Taking Back Control or some misplaced nationalistic pride. We can't be members of the EU for so long and leave without massive repercussions and ramifications and that hasn't been put over adequately by Remainers.

The Gang of 7 have a perfect right to leave, of course, but their timing is pants. And now, bang on cue, we have....*fanfare of trumpets* the Return of Derek Hatton. I'm sure I'm not the only one to be utterly bewildered by this and the timing. You couldn't make it up. Am I being overly Machiavellian or does anyone else here smell a large and rotten rat?

trisher The Green Party espouse everything I hold dear and I would support them if they had a hope in hell of getting into power. There are indeed some excellent people there. I used to be a member years ago and the only reason I left was because Jeremy Corbyn became leader and suddenly socialist policies were no longer a dirty words coming from the mouth of a Labour leader. I hear the spluttering of Anniebach as I type but I felt as invigorated and inspired as I'd felt disgust at our country being dragged into an illegal Iraq war.

I'm going off topic again but to re-iterate: Hatton - why now? Who engineered this, and for what reason? H'mmmmm.

I wish they'd chosen a better name than the Independent Goup. When I Google it I keep getting a group of artists, if I add politics I get local councillors! Anyone got a link I can use?

I doubt there will be a centerist party, a party needs big money,

So the momentum party will continue claiming they are for the poor, unemployed etc and racism will be brushed aside .

Firstly there isn't going to be this imaginary centrist party that some expect. Why not? Well it will need funding and substantial funding. It won't get support from the unions that's Labour, it won't get support from big business that's Conservative. If it is formed it will, like the Green Party, be very small and very limited in both its support and its influence. There are some excellent people involved in the Green Party and they have possibly exerted some influence on policies, but major change they have not acheived. So effectively by behaving as they have and "sticking to their principles" these 7 MPs have disennfranchised all their constituents and have probably paved the way for the Conservatives to remain in power. I am sure the poor, the homeless and the underpaid will be very grateful to them for their principled stance.
Of course I could be wrong and all those posting on GN about a centrist party may be prepared to put their money where their mouth is and start crowdfunding for that party.