We BREXIT this month (hopefully) ?

*Joelsnan Thu 07-Mar-19 19:50:19*:
Leavers happily recognise that within us we have great innovators, hard workers, terrific scientists, world renowned engineers, architects, electronics and IT specialists and excellent entrepreneurs.

I agree with you, Joelsnan, we do have these people. But so do other countries. Why then do we not let our architects design and our builders build good quality houses for 'ordinary' people? We certainly have hard workers. Go to any state school and you'll see that teachers are working their socks off. Headteachers are apparently now cleaning toilets. As for our terrific scientists, this is from the The London School of Economics and Political Science:

Any pride that British politicians may feel about the quality of British science in comparison to other countries in the EU should have their mood strongly tempered by the realisation that in the eyes of many British scientists, the EU is stealing a march on the UK in science policy leadership. New directions and capacities that our UK scientists argue for are now rapidly adopted within EU thinking, whilst in the UK, common knowledge about core needs (e.g. a funding increase to a 3% target) often circulates perennially with inaction by the parties in power and their appointees.

This I feel sums it up, we have the talent but we don't invest in it. I wish I could be as optimistic as some posters. I would really like to know what it is, in their opinion, that is going to drastically change the political will in this country and bring about the bright future they predict outside the EU.

20 days to wto, an exciting positive super time ahead for this fab GB..

out we go,

Makes me feel quite proud to be British actually! especially as this article isn’t from the Telegraph, Mail or Express!

It just goes to show that, contrary to illinformed opinion, the Guardian is open to publishing a range of views.

For me, the piece Urmstongran quotes from Jenkins' article is just a further piece of British exceptionalism. To fail to see similarities between the French Revolution and the rise of Hitler is to ignore the effective coup which is taking place in the UK with the marginalisation of Parliament by the Executive (Hitler's technique) and the rise of the far Right. The 'Will of the People' is straight out of the Nazi playbook.

And, of course, in the French Revolution the populace (with very genuine grievances) was led into a state of anarchy by its populist leaders.

With the mainstream media inciting contempt for our laws and democracy by labelling the judiciary, and people exercising their democratic right to oppose, as traitors and saboteurs it seems a small step to the Reign of Terror and the eradication of 'dissidents.

Leaving the EU is a massive and far reaching constitutional change and the appallingly incompetent and undemocratic way it is being handled, in ways that subvert out constitution, feels very like revolution, or the seedbed for revolution, to me.

baaaaabaaaahhhbahhhabaa

lambing season soon. So extrememly good news- as our farmers go bankrupt, with no outlet for those millions of lambs - they will be cheap, this year- in our butchers and supermarkets.

the majority who voted, in the whole of the UK voted out so out we go, WTO

thrilled

If the UK is going to be so bad after Brexit as some posters suggest, why are so many people risking their lives crossing the Channel to get here

A nice polite response Joelsnana as indeed are all of mine. I think as a person who voted to Leave I am very much aware that I am (probably? possibly?) in the minority here on GN and accordingly I am always polite and measured in my posts. Also whenever I spot a grammatical error or spelling mistake on this or any other forum I never point them out! Why should I? I’m not perfect and I’m sure that I too make mistakes now and again!

Funnily enough I truly started this thread on 1st March to share GOOD NEWS we may come across as we will be leaving the EU soon. I acknowledged right at the beginning that I couldn’t be prescriptive about such posts and soon enough those who voted Remain (I have never called anyone a ‘remoaner’ on here nor been disrespectful in any way) jumped on here to attack the premise of this thread which was always intended to be uplifting and encouraging in outlook!

Hey ho. Doom merchants are ever thus.

And as for popping the flag to represent the U.K. at the end of my countdown I fail to see that as in anyway disrespectful. I am optimistic that all will be well. Sorry if that offends anyone. Posters could always swerve this forum but if they choose not to then of course they might get annoyed - after all this thread is to celebrate any GOOD NEWS which is out there!

mcem
this morning's chauvinistic posts display a nasty smugness, more typical of English extremists
Yes, the selective reading and understanding is interesting. The abuse that those who chose to vote leave are subject to by the closed ears who want to skweem and skweem and try to points score rather than getting behind the outcome and making it work is concerning.
Despite following threads for a while and truly being open to persuasion, I have to say despite everything and including continuous self research, my opinion has not changed.

I agree mcem.

And how do political leanings explain lack of courtesy re spelling mistakes which was just one of several examples? It isn't just about politics.
There just seems to be a general increase in nastiness of which I find more in some newish posters.

Lol as opposed to comments from the predominantly left wing clique. ?

Well aware of that too but I still think that some of this morning's chauvinistic posts display a nasty smugness, more typical of English extremists (think UKIP or EDL).
I have no problem with Wales voting as the majority did (as is their right)
but do object to other comments from a predominantly right-wing clique.

That’s okay Badenkate I don’t think you’re being picky. I’ve probably not made myself clear enough!

My post:
Urmstongran Sat 09-Mar-19 10:05:30
was in response to the earlier post from mcem in which she said this was all ‘a particularly english....’
And I reminded her that Wales voted out too alongside England.

Sorry and don't mean to be picky Urmistongran but I can't see any obvious quote in:

Let’s not forget the Welsh voted to Leave too. Not just England

You weren’t Badenkate it was to mcem
which is why I put her quote to me in my post.

Dodgy, dodgy and more dodgy:

www.facebook.com/JamesJDart/videos/630143997458207/

Unhinged to in the current circumstances to sing 'Rule Britannia' and wave Union Jacks - especially as the Union is totally broken at the moment, and probably will be forever.

Deborah Meaden has got it spot on:

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we ask the EU to make changes to make the deal acceptable- and they concede and accomodate us- then we turn around and say, no we don't want it - don't want what we have asked for and that they conceded on - and the ultimate farce, we then blame THEM for intransigeance.

For the umpteenth time - you just could NOT make it up.

I'm not sure how I was supposed to work that out from your post urmstongran, but few seem to remember that we are, in fact, a very ununited United Kingdom

I wasn’t ignoring them.

I was reminding a poster that it wasn’t “a particularly english form of self harm”. Big difference.

The Northern Irish and Scots didn't vote to leave - but, hey, let's ignore them, shall we?

[unionjack]

Rule Britannia ?????

Thank you andyC

Let’s not forget the Welsh voted to Leave too. Not just England.

fabulous that the majority who voted, voted out.
I adore democtacy

fabulosity for Great Britain.