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Urmstongran Fri 01-Mar-19 09:42:15

Any fellow Leavers who would like to use this thread to post GOOD NEWS (away from Remainer doom & gloom)?

How about this for starters:

Norway’s $1 trillion (£753 billion) sovereign wealth fund – among the world’s most respected investors – has just confirmed it will boost its UK holdings. “Over time, our UK allocation will increase,” said Yngve Slyngstad, the Norwegian Fund’s CEO. “With our 30-year-plus time horizon, current political discussions don’t change our view,” he added, reaffirming his commitment to Britain even in the case of a no-deal Brexit.
This kind of clear-sighted, grown-up analysis contrasts starkly with the endless doom-mongering we get from subsidy-hungry politicos at the CBI. It’s precisely because Britain will thrive after Brexit that we attracted record foreign direct investment last year, beating the US, with only China attracting more. Even British start-ups raised almost £8  billion in venture capital during 2018 – some 70 per cent more than their French and German counterparts.
Boeing has opened its first manufacturing plant in Europe – in Sheffield. Technology-driven investment is piling in – not just to London but to Manchester and the North-East too. And, as Brexit-bashing stories about planes not flying are trumped by reality, investors from China to the Middle East are flocking to a country just judged by Forbes magazine as the “best place in the world to do business” for the second year in a row.
Yes, overseas investors are taking advantage of the weaker pound, which makes UK assets look attractive. But that’s how exchange rates work – which is why Europe’s monetary union is so crippling for many of its members.

Sorry for the long post but I’m not keen on links!

Joelsnan Sat 09-Mar-19 15:48:31

Greta
I am optimistic because I feel we have the ideal, once in a lifetime opportunity to drive forward a good future for our followers rather than stagnating as we currently are. I am trusting that some people will step out of the can't do apathy whilst listening to those whose only interest is profit and be prepared to demand that our. Innovation and technology services are properly funded. Our workers are fairly paid and our education system is returned to first class. If we do not lobby as one to ensure this happens we will go down the pan or at least continue to get poorer while contributing more to a very Germancentric EU.
We have a golden opportunity, we should show trust and courage and deliver.

suzied Sat 09-Mar-19 15:59:36

You need to address your demands to our low ability government joelsnan, if I thought Brexit would mean our public services would start to be properly funded, there would be a more equitable taxation system and a more democratic form of government, then I might get behind it. However, the EU hasn't stopped us doing any of the above, so I don't think they're going to start now.

andycameron69 Sat 09-Mar-19 16:11:54

well said greta

grin

Joelsnan Sat 09-Mar-19 16:42:25

suzied
As a nation we have become apathetic and have been steered into a somewhat 'i'm alright Jack' state, probably since the Thatcher era. Our governments have quasi managed the country reliant on EU policy for trickier bits.
Why do you think so many MP's are running scared? Its because they wil once again be wholly responsible for running the country. It has been a bunfest of meetings and committees achieving little up to press. Soon they will have to earn their overinflated salaries. However few are up to the challenge, which is of concern.
If we have a sensible politician amongst the 600, then he/she should recognise the opportunities and what is needed to achive this. I am sure our entrpreneurs, innovators, scientists, educationalists, egnineers et al. Would only be too happy to be asked to develop the roadmap to success.

andycameron69 Sat 09-Mar-19 16:55:17

we are a most fabulous innovative GB,
I am very proud we are leaving as per majority of voters,what a relief indeed.

party time soon

sunshine
sunshine

MaizieD Sat 09-Mar-19 17:30:21

Our governments have quasi managed the country reliant on EU policy for trickier bits.

I'd be interested to know about this in more detail. Especially the 'trickier bits' that they supposedly depend on the EU for.

I'd really like to be able to understand your thinking, here, Joelsnan

mcem Sat 09-Mar-19 17:50:49

A neat clear objective post Maizie in stark contrast to the trite nonsense that follows.

mcem Sat 09-Mar-19 17:52:18

How ironic! Maizie I did of course refer to your previous post!

mcem Sat 09-Mar-19 17:55:29

"Our workers are fairly paid and our education system is returned to first class."
You can not be serious!

Joelsnan Sat 09-Mar-19 18:16:54

MaizieD
Shall we say default to EU i.e. Free movement when Eastern European country free movement was enabled and the anticipated tens if thousands arrival became hundreds of thousands. If planned immigration had been allowed we may eventually have had the same numbers of arrivals but staggered to allow assimilation.
The opening up of government tendering to the markets as per EU directive. NHS, Defense, Waste, etc. All now have to be openly tendered.
Allowing the depression of income by profiteers exploiting cheap imported labour. and enabling it to continue, enabling the lie that Brits wont do it.
Contraction of social benefits because improvements would encourage more low paid labour to arrive, avail of in work benefits and offshore the same. If you remember Cameron did seek to restrict benefit entitlement to EU employees but was told it was illegal.
Stating that government support for infrastrucure i.e. Railways and steel is not permitted by EU when Other countries seem to manage it.
Allowing offshoring of industry using EU 'enterprise' money.
These are a few, some are pro and some anti EU
If there is no EU then both the Government and the disgruntled populous cannot blame anyone else and have to make it work.
I am sure you will provide a strong rebuttle.

GabriellaG54 Sat 09-Mar-19 18:43:06

Union FLAG andycameron69

andycameron69 Sat 09-Mar-19 18:44:42

I am so excited we are leaving totally

the real Leave is WTO, and no deal.

I did not vote for a deal, that is traitorous and lies as per Treason Mayhems deal.

Out we go

hiphip hooray let us celebrate

[grins]

Urmstongran Sat 09-Mar-19 19:37:10

2 Sundays to Brexit!
?

varian Sat 09-Mar-19 20:30:43

Britain’s Future has spent £340,000 promoting hard exit – but no one knows who’s funding it

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/09/obscure-no-deal-brexit-group-is-uks-biggest-political-spender-on-facebook

Greta Sat 09-Mar-19 20:33:21

Forgive me, but do we have children here counting down to Christmas? Of course we are all familiar with the anti-climax that follows...

varian Sat 09-Mar-19 20:36:56

UK minister warns of violence in case of no-deal Brexit

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-no-deal-david-gauke-nuk-minister-warns-of-violence/

Urmstongran Sat 09-Mar-19 20:54:26

I always loved Christmas Day as a child!
Excited.
?

MaizieD Sat 09-Mar-19 21:04:22

Free movement when Eastern European country free movement was enabled and the anticipated tens if thousands arrival became hundreds of thousands. If planned immigration had been allowed we may eventually have had the same numbers of arrivals but staggered to allow assimilation.

!) The immigration figure included EU students coming to study at our universities, most of whom returned home when their studies were finished
2) A great many EU migrants were seasonal workers doing jobs which, indeed, local people didn't want to do'home' at the end of the season and who went'home' at the end of the season. As evidenced by farmers' problems in getting enough workers to harvest their crops in the last couple of years as EU migration has dropped considerably.
3) Connected to this is the fact which is being constantly quoted to us that we have almost full employment so EU immigrants were not 'taking our jobs'.
4) Interestingly, although EU immigration has declined sharply, immigration from non EU countries has greatly increased according to the latest immigration figures. So we're still experiencing high levels of immigration, just not pesky EU citizens.
5) I'm not sure what you mean by 'assimilation'. I suspect it's the old 'pressure on services' complaint. In view of 4) I doubt if that has changed.
6) We have always been able to control EU immigration in that we could send back EU immigrants after three months who had no job, no means of support and no health insurance. Other EU countries do it all the time. We just never bothered.

The opening up of government tendering to the markets as per EU directive. NHS, Defense, Waste, etc. All now have to be openly tendered.

That seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable requirement that any sensible government would wish to implement. Or are you in favour of secret contracts being made with no accountability to the taxpayer?

Allowing the depression of income by profiteers exploiting cheap imported labour. and enabling it to continue, enabling the lie that Brits wont do it.

Academic studies have shown that EU workers have had very little effect on keeping wages low. Whereas, of course, the tory austerity policy has seen wages fall dramatically in real terms since 2010.

Contraction of social benefits because improvements would encourage more low paid labour to arrive, avail of in work benefits and offshore the same. If you remember Cameron did seek to restrict benefit entitlement to EU employees but was told it was illegal.

That's a goodie! I've not seen that one before. Of course, tory cuts to welfare benefits as part of their austerity policy have nothing to do with it...

Stating that government support for infrastrucure i.e. Railways and steel is not permitted by EU when Other countries seem to manage it.

Funny; living in the NE as I do I have made many journeys on the nationalised East Coast mainline. Now undergoing its second renationalisation while we are still in the EU. However, EU regulations are a handy get out for a government that doesn't actually want to nationalise anything. As you say, other EU member states have found a way to do it. So could we if we had the will...

On the other hand, we have always had full control over:

Health policy. Education. Fiscal policy. Public expenditure. Monetary policy. Income tax. Corporation tax. Capital gains tax. Inheritance tax. Border control and security. Non-EU immigration. Pensions. Welfare. Foreign policy decisions. Defence. Military Intelligence. Development cooperation and humanitarian aid. All local government. National policing. Crime. Media and press regulation. Family law. Property law and succession of estates.

Hardly a picture of emasculated government.

Urmstongran Sat 09-Mar-19 21:24:39

Joelsnan ?

GabriellaG54 Sat 09-Mar-19 22:44:28

More good news from me although nothing directly aligned to B-Day.
EE broadband ends mid April so I changed just now to Talk-Talk through Topcashback.
£17pm for 12 months BB+phone (which I don't need) and £75 cashback which has already tracked.
17×12-75=£129 which I paid upfront. grin????

andycameron69 Sat 09-Mar-19 22:45:19

urmston

cupcake

Joelsnan Sat 09-Mar-19 22:49:16

MaizieD
I did not state that these were my concerns however in response:
4. Interestingly, although EU immigration has declined sharply, immigration from non EU countries has greatly increased according to the latest immigration figures
Worlwide immigration may have increased, however (legal) immigration does have strict criteria which has to be met these being specific workgroups, a vacancy has been advertised and unfilled within the UK, educational attainment, level of language, salary expectation etc. Visas are given for specific period of time and must be renewed assuring the same criteria. In certain instances indefinate leave to remain is granted and eventual citizenship. The majority of visas are granted to students and high skilled or specific need occupations.

^The opening up of government tendering to the markets as per EU directive. NHS, Defense, Waste, etc. All now have to be openly tendered.

That seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable requirement that any sensible government would wish to implement. Or are you in favour of secret contracts being made with no accountability to the taxpayer^

I am not specifically bothered, however there are rallies and marches taking place particularly by those who see the outsourcing of NHS services to.(often) the cheapest bidder with little regard to standard of service or care provision. The NHS unable to compete because their staff have better ts&cs of those who replace them.

That's a goodie! I've not seen that one before. Of course, tory cuts to welfare benefit
Your statement may be correct, so might mine.

Re your final paragraph. I did not say that the government had absolved all control to EU, just that they could (both recent governments) have applied themselves to their duties more effectively and have sometimes used EU as a scapegoat. I think they have been the puppets of profit and 'the City' rather than social growth and inwards investment and productivity for too long. Why burden the taxpayer with paying in work benefits when employers should be paying living wages?
Out of the EU any government should be held more culpable for the state of the nation and its physical and fiscal health.

andycameron69 Sun 10-Mar-19 08:47:45

19 days to go...fabulous

out we go

Framilode Sun 10-Mar-19 10:01:14

Well andycameron you certainly are an optimist. I wouldn't be so sure.

Joelsnan Sun 10-Mar-19 10:07:49

www.thefullbrexit.com/brexit-uk-universities
Good news!
No apocalypse for universities.

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