Put it to the people march - are you going?

I think it is going to be massive. People I know who have never done any sort of protest are going.
What worries me is the fact that it is still possible for the whole thing to be ignored by those who don't actually care a monkey's for 'the will of the people'

Well, I guess the government would say that they are following "the will of the people" - I imagine they would not be arsing around with this hot potato if this was not what they thought.

They have gone so far down the road of treating the referendum result as binding that it is virtually impossible to turn back now.

Any referendum on the current deal would need to be accompanied by some very detailed information about it (with informed and impartial comment on it) or it would be a second fiasco.

Again, and I do respect your opnion Lucygirl - I actually think that it would be relatively 'easy' for all the opposition parties, to get together and put together a very clear document, with links- proving that the Referendum was won on lies, fraud, illegal targetting, dodgy money, foreign interference- with the evidence now clearly available- and also explain that the Electoral Commission would at this stage cancel the vote due to above- but cannot do so because the Referendum, according to our own Sovereign Laws- was and cannot ever be otherwise, whatever Cameron illegally promised - ADVISORY AND NON BINDING.

Insisting that Brexit is 'the will of the people' with the above now proven and more information coming forward (remember the Met was probably told to take its time and not investigate properly due to being 'politically sensitive - talk about 'democracy' when the Police's hands are tied behind their back to protect Government) - is NOT Democratic. Going back to the people, and asking them to decide with all the information and understanding of consequences - IS the ONLY democratic thing to do at this stage.

They also need a clear explanation about the back stop, and how the NI/Eire border is an issue that has NO solution.

Parliament agreed to trigger article 50 for us to withdraw from the EU.
Trying to drag their heels now of course, but they know they
Have to leave in the end.
I think they will vote for a few more months, but who knows, May could produce enough legal tweaks to the backstop to get the vote through.
Most in the country just want Parliament to get on with it,whichever way they voted in the referendum.

They agreed in extraordinary circumstances - they are NOW fully aware of the many fraudulent activities which led to a very small minority.

Whichever way you voted- I cannot fathom how anyone, leave, left, right, remain or anybody in between - can ignore the massive evidence which has come forward after article 50 was (reluctantly for many) triggered- proven fraud, proven illegal funds, proven illegal targetting of groups who previously did not vote, proven foreign interference- and of course, the lies- the huge lies.

I guess I cannot see how they can back away from it now; and feel very firmly that if there is to be another vote it should be done properly this time:

- the right question that reflects where we are now;
- the availability and distribution of impartial information on which to make a decision;
- no lobbying campaigns from either side (this is not a party issue) - just the above information to everyone through their letterboxes;
- a set turnout condition;
- a set margin condition.

A document "rubbishing" the previous referendum, whilst it might be accurate and make sense, might inflame public opinion even more. Those who choose not to believe that analysis (of which there will be many) will just be angry and more determined.

What we need at this stage are careful steps to move forward without creating more division. One of the ways would be, if there were another vote, to approach it in a less tribal fashion.

I think we have got ourselves in a right mess, and anything that happens now needs to be better thought through than what has gone before. And the aim should be to unite rather than to divide - that is my biggest worry about this situation.

Yes, Lucky, I agree- apart from the fact that an explanation explaining how the vote was illegally influenced, with facts- would not be 'rubbishing' the vote and those who voted- but would explain clearly that it cannot be implemented- especially now we realise it would be so damaging, and that there is NO solution to the NI/Eire border.

Well there is a solution to the British border in Ireland which the British government put forward and the EU agreed to, trouble is the DUP hypocrites don't want to be treated differently from the rest of the UK ( except where it suits them - gay marriage and abortion etc). As they have the casting vote in a minority government it surely is the tail wagging the dog.

I am going, accommodation and train tickets booked. Went on the last one too.

Northern Labour voters overwhelmingly back the party’s shift towards a new Brexit referendum, a fresh poll has found.

More than 75% of people who voted Labour in 2017 and expressed a preference backed the move, according to a YouGov poll for the People’s Vote campaign.

Some 35%, said the policy change to push for a new Brexit vote made them feel more favourably towards Labour, while 14% said it made them feel less so.

The survey of 5,000 voters across the North, Yorkshire and Humber and the Midlands found that 76% would support staying in the EU, with 24% against.

If it was a choice between Remain and backing Prime Minister Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement, the split would be 81% to 19% in favour of staying in the EU, according to the survey.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/northern-labour-voters-back-brexit-14080600

Are these the same Labour voters who defected to UKIP but have now changed their minds again varian?

Is it likely, Jalima?

Now come on, realms of probability and all that...

Well, MaizieD, the facts are that Northern voters did vote to leave the EU and that many traditional Labour voters had defected to UKIP prior to that.
Or had you forgotten about that?

In the realms of probability - yes.

I think this whole exercise must be a lesson to any country wishing to join or leave the EU! First and foremost they MUST understand that once you've joined you CANNOT leave under ANY circumstances, so don't even think about it, never mind have a public vote!! Article 50 would leave you to believe that you can, but in reality you cannot, you are effectively handcuffed and chained till the end of time! Surely Article 50 is the biggest lie of all, leading people to believe the impossible?!

It is clear that leaving the EU is a tangled task, especially after being in for so long. But it has been compounded by incompetence at the highest level; and the disgraceful situation where party has been put before national interest. This applies to the decision to have a referendum in the first place and to the negotiations to leave.

Facts, experts and poo-poo - James says it exactly as it is:

www.facebook.com/LBC/videos/2188144827898716/

and now it seems that Mrs May will pull the meaning vote again tomorrow, and keep kicking the can.

So not only are people not given the chance to vote on the reality and real consequences of Brexit- neither will our elected Parliamentary Representatives

and then they say 'ah, but this is Democracy' what a sick farce.

First and foremost they MUST understand that once you've joined you CANNOT leave under ANY circumstances,

Oh do stop being melodramatic, Jabberwok.

There was, in fact, a very well thought out and detailed plan for leaving which had every chance of succeeding. It would have involved incremental steps and taken place over a long period to accommodate the massive changes required to law, regulation and the agencies required. But it was ignored and would in no way have satisfied the uninformed but well manipulated masses who think that leaving 40+ years of legal and regulatory integration can be cut off, pouf, with no detriment to the UK.

However much the 'leaving a club' analogy is pushed it just isn't that simple. There isn't an analogy that really applies but the 'club' one worked wonders at persuading the simple minded that it would all be absolutely fine...

I, and others, are still agog to hear how being in the EU has harmed the people who voted Leave (personal stories, please, not woolly generalisations about 'sovereignty and border control etc.) and what the tangible benefits are going to be.

he facts are that Northern voters did vote to leave the EU and that many traditional Labour voters had defected to UKIP prior to that

No, I haven't forgotten that, Jalima but how is it relevant to the poll results that varian posted?

The survey of 5,000 voters across the North, Yorkshire and Humber and the Midlands found that 76% would support staying in the EU, with 24% against.

As for your original question, I don't think that the pollsters actually go into the detail of respondents' previous political allegiances (unless that's the specific purpose of the poll) , so the answer must be 'How could anyone possibly know?'

I can't March, but if I could get to London (which I cannot afford and can't get to the railway station anyway because of lack of guises) I would wheel willingly! I really wish I could go

We're all entitled to our views MaisieD! You are of course so well informed and dictatorial which could be the reason that no one with differing views bothers to engage in any sort of discourse with you

Maizie is indeed very very well informed- facts, from the experts with massive experience.

No, I haven't forgotten that, Jalima but how is it relevant to the poll results that varian posted?
They are obviously what is termed 'flip-flopping'.

Changing their minds - who knows if they could change them again.

Miepl; don't worry. We're not just marching just for ourselves but for everyone who wants to be there but can't. My friend puts my name on her flag when I can't get to London, although, thankfully, this time I can.

An updated list of transport to the march, courtesy of Mumsnet.

"I am bound to have left some out, the list is getting so long. Please do check the website: www.peoples-vote.uk/march_transport"

Ashford
Aviemore
Axminster
Bala
Banbury
Barnsley
Barnstaple
Bath
Berkhamstead
Beverley
bicester
Bidford
Birmingham
Blandford Forum
Bournemouth
Bournemouth hospital
Bridgend
Brighton
Bromsgrove
Buckingham
Bury St Edmunds
Buxton
Cambridge
Cantebury
Cardiff
Cardiff Univeristy
Cheltenham
Cheltenham
Chester
Chesterfield
Chirk
Cirencester
Crewe
Cross Hands
Darlington
Devizes
didcot
Durham
Eastbourne
Edinburgh
Ewlowe
Exeter
Exmouth
Frome
Gloucester
Harrogate
Hereford
Honiton
Huddersfield
Inverness
Ipswich
Kendal
Kennilworth
Kidderminster
Kingsbridge
Lancaster
Ledbury
Leeds
Leek
Leeming Bar
Lichfield
Lincoln
Liverpool
Llandudno
Macclesfield
Malvern Link
Manchester
Marlborough
Minehead
Newcastle Under Lyme
Newport
Newton Abbott
Norwich
Nottingham
Okehampton
Omskirk
Oxford
Penrith
Penzance
Penzance
Peterborough
Plymouth
Poole
Pwllheli
Redruth
Ringwood
Ripon
Rugely
Salisbury
Saxmundham
Seahaven
Sheffield
Shepton Mallet
Shrewsbury
Sidmouth
Snitterfield
Southport
St Albans
St Asaph
St Austell
St Blazey
Stafford
Stockport
Stoke on Trent
Stone
Stratford
Stroud
Sunderland
Swansea
Swindon
Thornbury
Tisbury
Tiverton
Torrington
Totnes
Trowsfynnydd
Truro
Truro
Wallingford
Warwick Parkway
Wells
Weymouth
Williton
Wincanton
Winchester
Wirral
Witney
Woodbridge
Worcester
Wrexham
York

We've also found:

Patrick Stewart is to pay for a Yorkshire coach smile

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/sir-patrick-stewart-is-paying-to-bus-protesters-from-yorkshire-to-an-anti-brexit-march-in-london-1-9649881

People are getting the train from Milton Keynes: www.facebook.com/events/332496534140285/

Two coaches, both setting off from Taunton. One stopping at Yeovil and Wincanton, and the other stopping in Wells, Shepton Mallet and Frome (Thanks @Brexitisshit )
www.somersetloveseurope.org.uk/index.php/put-it-to-the-people-march-23rd-march/

Thornberry and Yate: (thank you mystery Mner)
www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/thornbury-and-yate-coach-for-peoples-vote-march-on-23-march-2019-tickets-57615504525

Bradford on Avon and Corsham(
Thanks to the mner who pmed me with this):
bathforeurope.com/

Inverness, Perth, Lockerbie, Gretna and for general travel from Scotland
www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/coaches-from-scotland-to-peoples-vote-march-london-23-march-tickets-57363261058

Camarthenshire (Thanks @Slurpy )
www.carmarthenshirelibdems.wales/put_it_to_the_people

Somerset: (thanks @KennDodd )
www.tickettailor.com/events/somersetloveseurope/239226?fbclid=IwAR3GsVyLHUL9Oyti6bS3ur1-9KD5M6GAfJUns4xA8FBMdL0ZV15Fu4VNHLQ

Devon: (thanks @KennDodd )
www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/coaches-to-london-saturday-230319-put-it-to-the-people-march-tickets-56895949316?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&aff=esfb&utm-source=fb&utm-term=listing&fbclid=IwAR1YmXEbRT6fZ0_4kEPh8WYBhRfNEqX9Tkrq5b1g7IYBmpqbmxr1PCA45KE

Penrith/Kendal/Lancaster Preston:
www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/coach-penrithkendallancaster-preston-to-pv-march-london-23rd-march-tickets-56829229756

Glasgow Loves EU have a coach now smile
www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/coaches-from-scotland-to-peoples-vote-march-london-23-march-tickets-57363261058?fbclid=IwAR1otLZ-f6boEvgrAQsHBgdnzP_umrVVnQTUY0YdQ_JuoT_ej0J_knIKwYU

Bristol and Bath. there is a very cool Train service: (thanks @twofingerstoeverything )
www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/bristol-and-bath-for-europe-train-to-london-march-tickets-57096658643?fbclid=IwAR3h4C3IN-y5zjI2ZN4EJ6RLhODpMEirFuE7Mms1XJuxbSinTKPxmK5SSFs

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3510056-Put-it-to-the-People-March-23rd-March?pg=13