Put it to the people march - are you going?

If my anxiety relapse will allow me, I'll be there. We planned our short break in Shropshire to fit in with the march.

It's all such a blimmin mess and in the meantime, important issues aren't being dealt with properly. Or at all.
Should never have happened.

100s of 1000s will march peacefully. In the meantime, not even 200 turn up for Farage- and one of them has thumped a woman who was peacefully demonstrating- just like another assaulted a woman outside Westminster the other day.

Says it all. And Farage won't even go on the rest of the march - says he has to go and do his job as MEP in Brussels - bizarre as he has never bothered before.

I was determined to go on the march on 23rd- but my duty is elsewhere at the moment- so glad many friends have agreed to put my name on their banners- and I shall be with them all the way in spirit xxx

Very interesting- this just now in the Graun:

A row soon broke out with counter-protesters who turned up carrying red love hearts with messages including “we love workers’ rights” and “we love to have a say”. One set off blue and yellow flares , the colours of the EU, as protesters chanted “exit Brexit”.

Barry Lockey, who arrived in Sunderland carrying a flag with the message “Get Britain out: Time to leave the EU”, said that the event was about supporting democracy. “The democracy in the parliament building has been spot on. They’ve got their no-deal taken off the table by four votes,” he said.

Lockey pointed out that this margin was much smaller than the 4% margin of victory during the EU referendum, which he said was now being discredited. “I’m sorry, but that really riles me. And they’re not going to get away with it.”

Look at the video and see who is shouting "we're going to London to stop the brexit betrayal" - not one of the poor Sunderland "left-behinds" but none other than multimillionaire member of the brexit elite, Richard Tice.

I wonder if he intends to walk all the way?

can i mince along in my kitten heels

hope so

Lockey pointed out that this margin was much smaller than the 4% margin of victory during the EU referendum, which he said was now being discredited.

Mr Lockey is disingenuous. We're not discrediting the 4% margin of victory; though it's held by scientists to be statistically negligible. We're objecting to a referendum won by corruption, illegality and lies. A real subversion of democracy.

I am truly understanding- are some of you

a) denying that Leave Campaign lied massively, and that the fraud, foreign interference, illgal hidden targetting and use of dodgy money happened

or

b) accept that it did happen but that it is irrelevant in a democracy?

Lies at referendum time? Oh no ?

Who would have thought it? Aren’t all politicians and campaigners squeaky clean? We’d have to be daft to believe that!

And for the likes of jura2, MaizieD, varian, crystaltipps et all - guess what? You all keep banging on about ‘Leave lies’ ..... well here are a few of the porkies ‘Remain’ tried to scare us with:

REMEMBER THESE?

You told us that there would be an emergency budget.

“Within days of the poll, the idea was dropped.

“You told us that we would be £4,300 worse off per family, a figure that no one now tries to defend.

“You told us that our stock market would collapse. In fact, British stocks are, at the time of writing, the best performing in Europe.”

Remainers also brought the German finance minister over to London to warn that the UK would be “treated like any third country” during the referendum campaign.

“Now that same minister says that a special status will be found that protects the close commercial relationship between the UK and Germany, and that he only used that phrase at George Osborne’s specific request.”

Please desist from pretending the lies were all one sided. It’s wearisome keep reading the same links and verbose tracts.

'interested ' not 'understanding' - sorry.

Any ideas?

Tom Brake MP, Brexit spokesman for the Liberal Democrats, says "Why does Parliament get to change its mind, but not the people? It's double standards of the highest order."

The Liberal Democrats have campaigned for an Exit from Brexit since the day after the 2016 Referendum. This motion reaffirms our policy of a public vote between the Governments deal and remaining in the European Union.

This motion also calls on the Government to:

- revoke Article 50 if no deal is agreed a week before we are due to leave the European Union.
- remove the deadline for settled status applications, -provide additional support to those who need it.
- create an emergency Brexit Support Fund of at least £7.5 billion to mitigate job losses caused by Brexit uncertainty.
- ensure the UK’s participation in the 2019 European Parliamentary Elections, if any extension of Article 50 means that the UK is still a member of the EU at the time of the election.

No comments yet on my last post? I’ll wait.
I’m renowned for my patience.

oh dear, I do apologise- my goodness- cooked my OH a nice dinner for his BD instead of immediately responding to Urmstongran. I am still waiting for questions I asked months and months ago - and for which no reply ever came forwards- but, I will apologise for my tardyness (sp?).

I do think you are confusing LIES and PREDICTIONS.

But what about proven foreign interference, and Farage and Banks working with Trump, Putin and alt right groups (well I suppose I could be accused of that, lol) - what about dodgy money, from the same people. What about illegal and hidden targeting of some groups. What about Bank using all his Insurance staff to campaign, undeclared, for months?

Can you give evidence of this happening with the Remain campaign?

Urmstongran...there won’t be any replies, apparently the lies were only on one side (GN myth)

It’s quite ridiculous that we will be leaving the EU very soon, and people are still bemoaning the referendum results of 2016 !
It’s all in the past, there won’t be any going back, we will be leaving.
The sky will not fall in, the sun will shine etc etc.
All these repetitive posts about referendum lies, dodgy money, Farage, Banks, Trump, Putin and so on won’t accomplish anything.

Nope. I can’t jura2 without trawling for links and counter evidence. Which is probably out there somewhere on t’internet.....

Anyway I counter balanced the lies accusation.

lemongrove won’t it be refreshing (for most of us) to just move on? Yes, I know ‘to the negotiations - it’s just the beginning’ as Remainers keep reminding us.

But nice, all the same.

If TM can get this through it’ll be good. It’s been a long time coming.

most of who?

Those who want out.

Certainly will Urmston ??

I see our lorry drivers are going to block motorways if Article 50 is extended.

urmstongran And for the likes of jura2, MaizieD, varian, crystaltipps et all - guess what? You all keep banging on about ‘Leave lies’ -please point out where I have been “banging on about leaver lies”?
Anyway, when did two wrongs make a right? Surely if lies are in your mind equally distributed it negates both campaigns and an even more of an argument to revisit the question in point now we have more knowledge of the veracity of said arguments.

love the tension here

Politicians lie. It’s their M.O. We’d be daft to believe otherwise. So, de facto, both sides lied during the referendum campaign. They know it, we all know it.

It’s not going to change anything as they are all in cahoots together over this so we just have to sit on the side with our popcorn and see how this plays out. The only influence Joe Pleb ever gets is at the ballot box.

There are lies- and lies. Some are very deliberate- others, in this case, we predictions of what was likely to happen. Some of them have not happened, because the economy was shored up in the meantime. But many are coming tragically true, one by one- like the loss of 1000s of jobs, the EU staff who are leaving the NHS as well as agriculture and lots of other fields. And the humongous cost of Brexit so far...

But let's leave all that aside. People who do not realise that there has been a very sinister manipulation of the Referendum, very illegally, from outside with help from inside - are being very naïve.

So let's stick to proven foreign interference, and Farage and Banks working with Trump, Putin and alt right groups (well I suppose I could be accused of that, lol) - what about dodgy money, from the same people. What about illegal and hidden targeting of some groups. What about Bank using all his Insurance staff to campaign, undeclared, for months? Very sinister.

No comments yet on my last post? I’ll wait.
I’m renowned for my patience.

No comment because it's only a week or so since someone else published a strangely similar list (copied and pasted from a Leavers site? I do wish people would be honest about what they post and differentiate their c & p jobs from their own words) I responded to it at some length. I suppose I should have kept a copy of my response so that I can keep reposting it for people who didn't bother to read it the first time.

I would note that I have also asked for explanations of Leave lies but with absolutely no response, ever...

remain lies you mean, of course.

One of the most worrying aspects of all this - is that it seems now clear, that the Government has prevented Police and the Met from investigating those issues - as they are 'too politically sensitive'.