Put it to the people march - are you going?

I just think that Remainers on here are ‘glass half full’ people. Strange isn’t it that all the quoted dire predictions are at odds with the recent good news from the Eeyore himself, Mr Phil Hammond? Only Thursday he was telling us the country is in great shape!

I can understand how so many of you are furious at the result of the referendum. But what does taking it out on us Leavers achieve? It’s not our personal fault! We voted. Same as you. Perhaps your anger should be directed to those in power.

Hammond said the country would be in be in good shape if there was a good deal. urmstongran why criticise others for doing what you are doing yourself? ( criticising other voters) A bit of pot and kettle going on.

No anger directed to Leavers here - but explanations as to why many of us feel that a) the tiny majority was won fraudulently and so many ways b) that there are dark powers at work here we should be concerned about c) that the only democratic thing to do now, with both Labour and Tories completely split on how to go ahead- is to take it back to the people- now they know what the alternatives and consequences are.

Politely and calmly - whereas terms as 'the likes of ...' are incredibly rude.

Hammond says one thing - reality says another.

How many jobs lost so far, how many businesses moved (mainly from people who voted Leave, like Dyson and co)- how man billions lost?

Instead do 350 million going to the NHS- so far since the vote, the result has cost 500m a week- and probably a lot more.

Are you saying jura2 that our Chancellor of the Exchequer does not have a true grasp of the situation in the country? That would be a very strange state of affairs when he was preparing his Spring Statement!

jura you are determined to do things down, even when the evidence shows our economy is doing well, and if Parliament accept May’s deal will continue to do well.
Why?
Simply put..because you are angry about Brexit.

If you are happy with May’s deal and believe everything is going well, you must be in a minority.

lemongrove that's exactly it. She's obsessed about it all and pontificates on so many threads from her home in Switzerland.

Are you saying jura2 that our Chancellor of the Exchequer does not have a true grasp of the situation in the country?

Yup, I think that's what she's saying.

I think it's interesting that the OBR forecasts don't actually chime with reality. Forecast in Oct 2018: growth of 1.6%, now downgraded to 1,2%. They've left the others unchanged so as to look good before they are downgraded at the next budget...

It's the growth figures that are the most significant.

The deficit may well be down by a few percentage points, but it's at the expense of shrinking the economy by cuts to public spending. That's why the growth forecast is down, it's because the economy is shrinking.

It's strange that all of you who are so comfortable with the fact that lying is endemic in politics are happy to believe some, but not others. All chancellors talk up the economy; take it with a pinch of salt...

too politically sensitive
In plain speak that means: there's fault on both sides so one cancels out the other.

Urmstongran
Some good news ?
Reed Recruitment moved their company back to the uk
last year. The owner said that although he voted to remain he saw wonderful potential here in the uk, post Brexit.

In plain speak that means: there's fault on both sides so one cancels out the other.

Leavers even speak a different language.

In Remain 'plain speak' it means that someone high up in the political order has something to hide.

Again Jane, what a shame - unpleasant choice of very derogatory words- which I would have never expected from you. A pity.

Where I am currently, or Maizie for that matter - makes little difference to how we are personally affected- and our children, grandchildren, family and friends.

But for me, and I suspect for Maizie - the fact we strongly feel that we are better together (your words about Scotland - although we were a strong partner with a strong influence in the EU, which Scotland does not seem to have in the UK) - it goes far beyond personal matters. I imagine Maizie, and se feel tell me if she does not agree, like me- feels that the world faces so many really important, even vital, issues, be it with terrorism, war, climate change and the environment- that we need to tackle as a strong union. SAme for essential research and inovation- which needs the best brains working together, and the finance behind it- be it to cure disease or to solve the above issues and so many more.

In the meantime, there is a very sinister alt right group, with Bannon and Banks, and Putin, Trump - aided by the likes of Farage and co- working at distablising Europe, and to ultimately destroy it - with the ultimate rise of the Alt Far Right. Please, open your eyes and minds to this true enemy.

Exactly MaizieD so Remainers need to address their annoyance to those higher up the food chain! As I said earlier, what can us Leaver voters do about any of it? Nada.

Brilliant news petra ??
Shall we start up a ‘Brexit good news thread’? There are about 4 Brexit threads already and perhaps we ought to - what do you think? To be honest I’m getting in a muddle posting on all these, hopping from one to another which now have little to do with the OP question! One of them is about the march in London and has morphed.
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I think I’d rather believe gloomy Mr Hammond than the furious jura2

Why are Leavers on here launching personal attacks on remainers , whilst banging on about remainers criticising leavers’ views ( not personal attacks). And, according to some on here it’s perfectly ok for politicians to lie , it’s perfectly ok for May to keep presenting her unchanged WA to parliament despite it having been defeated by the biggest majority in parliamentary history, bribing opponents to vote for her deal, yet it somehow undemocratic to give the people a second vote. Talk about cognitive dissonance or is it barefaced hypocrisy?

You ought to read the whole of Hammond’s statement before you see it as support for May’s deal- and yet you claim all politicians lie- is that all except Hammond?

Annoyingly, it could be both. Or neither.
I just happen to believe Leavers are more optimistic. Maybe we’re deluded. But then we are happier. I know I can’t change anything. So I have to accept it.
Remainers want to battle on.
We shall have to agree to disagree.

I never said PH supported TM’s deal! I was replying to jura2 doom and gloom by saying PH was upbeat about the state of our economy.

...All these repetitive posts about referendum lies, dodgy money, Farage, Banks, Trump, Putin and so on won’t accomplish anything.

And isn't that a disgrace in a so called democracy?
I firmly believe a lot dishonest practices will eventually be revealed about this Brexit fiasco. But by then there will be nobody around willing to accept responsibility. I think 'democracy' now means whatever you want it to mean at a particular time.

I thought it was a given that all politicians lie ?

I thought it was a given that all politicians lie

It seems to be so, petra, but why on earth should it be acceptable when we don't accept lying in any other field? (or do we?)

In effect you will be marching to over turn Democracy, so no I would not March, whatever I thought of the outcome of the Referendum. It is all sour grapes by the remainers, throwing their rattles out of the pram. . .. I value living in a country where we vote and the result of that vote is carried out. I believe rain and wind are predicted for 23rd.