LP anitsemitism / CP islamophobia

Grandad

"POGS, do you condone the action of Margaret Hodge in secretly recording the meeting she held with Jeremy Corbyn when she had personally agreed and assured him no record of that meeting would be made."
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Can't in all honesty say it bothers me but I do often think when something is ' leaked' or ' recorded in private ' then made public then yes I do find it beyond annoying so I will not be a hypocrite.

What has Margaret Hodge made ' public ' or used from the recording ?

Margaret Hodge was assured the top of the party were not involved in any interference with complaints of anti semetism, an email was leaked from the top table asking for details of some there had been complaints about.

Who can blame her for not trusting Corbyn’s word

Anniebach, Hodge gave her personal assurance to Jeremy Corbyn that the meeting she was invited to attend would not be recorded so as a "forthright" exchange of views by both parties could be given.

As i stated in my an earlier post had she carried out that covert action while in the employ of a commercial company, Hodge would have been open to charges of gross misconduct and liable to dismissal from employment.

There is no excuse for what Hodge has done in her action which i and many others find below contempt.

I notice once again that the focus of the debate is Labour and anti-semitism and little is being posted about Islamophobia and the Conservative party. George Osborne knows about it!
news.sky.com/story/ex-chancellor-george-osborne-tells-conservatives-to-fix-islamophobia-problem-11658555

Grandad

" The character and policies of the Labour party have changed in many significant respects since 2014, and those changes have been overwhelmingly and democratically endorsed by the entire membership of the Labour movement. However, the party still has MPs such as Hodge who have never accepted the above democracy and pursue their own agenda no matter how low they have to sink to carry that out, as Hodge demonstrated.

In the above, the best course of action for her and those of her mind would be to leave the party in a respectable manner as others have done or to fight democratically from within for the changes they wish to see."
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Yep. Labour is no longer ' A BROAD CHURCH ' since the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Labour Party took over the Labour Party as you have just shown so well.

Why the hell should Labour MP's who have given years of service to the party be driven out ?

Hells Bells if what you hold as a principle had been applied in the Labour Party over the years then the likes of Corbyn wouldn't be even be an MP.

The penny must eventually drop the far left have taken over the party machine and it will not be disobeyed and no individual thought is required.

POG's, as far as i am aware Margeret Hodge has not made anything discussed at her meeting with Jeremy Corbyn public at this point in time.

I believe that she informed "others" that she has made a covert recording of the discussions on her phone. In that, she did a great disservice to all those that have been involved in trying to lay the blame of antisemitism in the Labour party on Corbyns leadership.

In short, it has "badly backfired" on her and those that surround her.

I will state again my view that this woman is below contempt. Much stronger words could be used, but i will refrain from using them.

Grandad

'What has Margaret Hodge made ' public ' or used from the recording '?

Grandad

Crossed posts.

" POG's, as far as i am aware Margeret Hodge has not made anything discussed at her meeting with Jeremy Corbyn public at this point in time.

I believe that she informed "others" that she has made a covert recording of the discussions on her phone. "
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So as things stand ' at the moment ' you have no factual evidence she recorded the meeting as you state ' I BELIEVE that she informed others '.

As things stand Margaret Hodge has not made anything public or used anything from the supposed recording of the meeting.

Until something surfaces that has more gravitas than hearsay then I think your point is not worth much.

I am not saying evidence will not surface , it might do before bedtime, but so far I see this as trying to spin something out of nothing.

POGS, in regard to your post @19:03 today (08/03/19), i would emphasise the fact those who are in leadership in the Labour party/movement at present have achieved their positions by way of democratic election held among all who subscribe or affiliate to the party.

It was not a subversive unelected take over as you so often try to portray POGs, but all carried out within the rules of the party and broader movement in the country. Simple as that.

However, there are those in the parliamentary party that cannot accept the results of that democracy as it does not conform to their own self-serving agenda, as Margret Hodge demonstrated in her recent actions.

Totally Disgusting.

POG's, Margaret Hodge covert recording action has been widely reported in the press, on social media and commented on by Jeremy Corbyn himself. Those reports Hodge has not refuted at this point in time and she seemed to wear the allegation as a "badge of honour" when the reports first emerged.

That badly backfired as even some close to Hodge seem to have distanced themselves from the alleged action in these subsequent days

Tom Watson was voted deputy leader by way of democratic election, yet Formby can publicly tell him to shut up.

As for Corbyn commentating on Margaret and the alledged recording, can he remember he held a meeting with her, he does have a problem with his memory and his eye sight.

I see none of the people so quick to believe in the LP anti-semitism are prepared to discuss the Conservative party's Islamaphobia. Proving perhaps that their concerns are not based on combatting racism which is still flourishing but on using it to score political points.

Anniebach, Jenney Formby "corrected" Tom Watson after he stated that all reports of anti-Semitism in the party should be referred to his office. In that, Watson should acquaint himself with the Data Protection Act 2018. From that, he may learn that under the above legislation all complaints in regard to the governance of the party has to be handled by appropriately accredited staff as it would be in any other organisation.

Security under within the Data Protection Act states that:-
Data must be handled in a way that ensures appropriate security, including protection against unlawful or unauthorised processing, access, loss, destruction or damage.

It is the General Secretaries office which is solely accredited within the Labour party to handle and control sensitive data which may involve disciplinary measures being taken against other staff or party members.

Formby accredited a small number of staff from Jeremy Cobyns office in April 2017 under the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) to help clear a large backlog of complaints which her predecessor as General Secretary had left unhandled and unresolved.

The remainder of your post Anniebach @ 20:16 today makes little reasoning to me unfortunately.

Interesting that the journalist Will Self said that every racist and anti-Semitic voted for Brexit.

trisher

" I see none of the people so quick to believe in the LP anti-semitism are prepared to discuss the Conservative party's Islamaphobia. Proving perhaps that their concerns are not based on combatting racism which is still flourishing but on using it to score political points."
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I'm prepared to discuss it but so far you haven't produced anything much to discuss .

Bring some facts, evidence forward as I a said in my post Tue 05-Mar-19 18:19:49 :-

" If antisemitism or islamophobia is found in ANY political party it should be dealt with.

End of.

I am not saying islamophobia is not in the Conservative Party nor would I say there maybe some with antisemitic views/opinions. Only an idiot would say it was not possible.
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So far your posts have spoken of Sayeeda Warsi and Boris Johnson to which you have had a response,just not to your liking.

The cases that I have read about have been dealt with but if there is outstanding or mismanagement of dealing with islamophobia then it would be of interest to the thread.

Unlike some who believe antisemitism is not an issue in Labour I am not going to defend antisemitism or islamophobia in ANY party but I do find the ' scale ' of accusations has a bearing when it comes to calling it ' institutional ' in a party.

*POGS how much more evidence do you need? George Osborne has said there is a problem. Baroness Warsi has said there is a problem. Andrea Leadsom thinks it's the responsibility of the foreign office. Boris Johnson thinks it's Ok to make jokes about Muslim women and Amber Rudd still thinks 'coloured' is an acceptable term. It's all evidence of a deep rooted but well hidden racist element.

Coloured person was a term used for years but black was unacceptable. I don’t think Amber Rudd was being racist.

Johnson made a joke ,in bad taste, about clothing , for many a year we heard ‘she is like mutton dressed as lamb’this too was about clothing.

And I am not Defending Johnson, I dislike him.

There is a post saying ‘she didn’t look Jewish’, is this racist ?

A wall mural of men, some with long noses and the artist named some Jews among them, this has been declared as racist but by some as not racist.

The hoo-ha over Amber Rudd's comment was purposely blown out of all proportion.

I agree EllanVannin

Ah so black people are not entitled to find the term "coloured" offensive?
If Amber Rudd were a 90 year old I might have some sympathy but even my 95 year old mother knew it wasn't acceptable and always apologised if she said it. Amber Rudd is 55. The term 'coloured' has been unacceptable for years. If she doesn't know that she should.

black and white are entitled to find words offensive, does not mean the words were used to offend or insult

Do you think ‘she didn’t look Jewish’ offensive ?

I'm not Jewish so I wouldn't expect to comment on that but I will accept that Jews may find it unacceptable. I wonder why you don't allow black people the right to find 'coloured' offensive? If you do think they have that right, then Amber Rudd is at best unaware of how black people feel, and at worst is racist (even if it is racism through ignorance it isn't acceptable in a politician)

When I was growing up words like ‘yid’ ‘cripple’ ‘bird’ ‘coloured’ and even the n word were widely used - we’ve moved on and politicians holding high offices of state should be expected to be aware of how language has changed. I do wonder how the word ever came out of her mouth but it won’t again will it?

trisher as you can’t comment on ‘she didn’t look Jewish’ because you are not a Jew I realise you are black so I do understand why you found ‘coloured’ offensive .

Oh Annie try something better! I didn't comment on "she didn't look Jewish" because I have no concept of how Jewish people are supposed to look. I live in an area where there are people who are obviously Jewish but this is because they have adopted a particular style of dress and appearance, I know other Jewish people who have not done so and I wouldn't say they look much different to other people. In fact I don't even pretend to know the religion of most of the people I meet. I know that others have pre-conceptions but I really have none. I accept that Jewish people may find the statement unacceptable and that is completely their right. However many black people have said that they find the term "coloured" offensive and I have listened to them. It is a pity that you think racism is acceptable and anti-semitism is not. It is perhaps the real reason why so many black children have been killed by knives and only when white children die there is such an outcry. The problems of racism in our society are still widespread and deep rooted and antisemitism is just a small part of the problem. And as I have already stated only the left is organising to stop these things No Pasaran!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-45640442/no-pasaran-emily-thornberry-rallying-cry-against-fascism