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Shemima Begum

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GrannyGravy13 Fri 08-Mar-19 16:25:31

LBC are reporting that SB lawyers are trying to verify that her new born son has died

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 12:29:04

Australia aren't as stupid a country as ours as they would send them back to the country from whence they came--------displaced or not.

Now answer my question.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:29:26

Do you think Syria wants to be dumped with stranded foreign terrorists?

Sometimes you have to deal with your responsibilities even if its a deeply unpleasant task and not just dump your problems on others.

Still waiting to hear where Australia would deport Australian terrorists to....

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:30:20

Australia aren't as stupid a country as ours as they would send them back to the country from whence they came

So Syria should send her back to England then?

Because she CAME from England.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:42:18

P.s. Abu Hanza's son was not made stateless when his British citizenship was stripped.

He was a dual citizen. Totally different scenario.

Jalima1108 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:44:16

And stripping a dual citizen of 1 nationality is also not comparable to making a person stateless.
Precisely.
If someone is granted citizenship of an adopted country where they have chosen to live one would assume that they would not then want to destroy the way of life of that country.
Until fairly recently anyone being granted Australian citizenship had to take an oath to 'defend Australia in times of war', amongst other promises.

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 12:49:54

Mustafa Hamza is in a worse situation than SB. The main reason being that he happens to be the son of Abu Hamza the man who cheered after 9/11 happened.

You could say that Mustafa was a foolish young man to join the fighting the same as SB was, he was 19 at the time and is now 24.

SB had justified the Manchester bombing ! I had relatives there that night, so yes, I wish people " like these " to remain incarcerated in places they don't like !!

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:55:03

I wish people " like these " to remain incarcerated in places they don't like !!

Where?

Where should take the burden of this?
A BRITISH terrorist went abroad and contributed to atrocities there. You dont think that country should have the right to "kick them out" and "send them back to where they came from" ?

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 12:55:37

Mustafa Hamza isn't wanted by the Turks or British but Morocco will have him. He doesn't want to go there and continues pleading to return to the UK.

SB has dual too ? Bangladeshi/British.

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 12:56:20

Two similar cases.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:57:17

Why shouldnt Syria do what Australia does to FOREIGN nationals involved in terrorism...

... and send her back here.

No we dont "want" her. But she is our responsibility none the less.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 12:58:25

SB was NOT a dual citizen. She was JUST British
She is now stateless.
It is against international law to make someone stateless.

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 13:00:39

It used to be 3 years residency in Australia before you could apply for citizenship and those who haven't applied get hunted down. They're constantly on the alert for illegals. It's mainly the Chinese.

PamelaJ1 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:00:47

Who would not want to foster or adopt innocent little children?
annep1- I would think it would be a very difficult task. These children will come with a huge problems. Some mental, some physical.
I’m not saying that the right families cannot be found but I don’t think it would be easy.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:01:06

You are all for deportations Ellan which is fine but dont you get that the act of making persons stateless TAKES AWAY the deportation option?

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:02:06

It used to be 3 years residency in Australia before you could apply for citizenship and those who haven't applied get hunted down. They're constantly on the alert for illegals. It's mainly the Chinese.

What on earth is the relevance of any of this?

Nicenanny3 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:08:45

notanan why are you so concerned about this woman whether it's against international law or not I for one don't care about her or other ISIS supporters. I'm glad the Home Secretary has shown some balls for once and taken away her citizenship. You should save your concerns for someone more deserving in my opinion.

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 13:16:52

SB has until the 20th to appeal her situation.

Over 100 people were deprived of their British citizenship in 2017, which is on the increase.

If SB had been born in Bangladesh, she'd have been sent back there but because she'd been born here her status was seen as prejudicial to this country hence the stripping of her citizenship.

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:19:24

Im concerned about the country we have dumped/stranded her on why should they, her victims, be stranded with her?

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:20:59

She wasnt born and raised in Syria. She wasnt their citizen. She is British terrorist who went abroad to contribute to horrors and misery and they should be able to send her back!

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 13:30:00

But we don't want to add to the other 400 that are housed in this dumb country ! Unless she can live next door to you !

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:45:33

She wasnt being "added" she was already British!

notanan2 Mon 11-Mar-19 13:46:58

Ellan did I missunderstand you?

I thought you were all for deporting foreign terrorists? Is that not right?

SB is a foreign terririst to Syria. She was British!

gillybob Mon 11-Mar-19 13:51:54

It’s a tough one indeed , but as I said a while back I’ll bet my last £1 she’ll be writing a book about her experiences and sitting on the Good Morning sofa before we know it. hmm

EllanVannin Mon 11-Mar-19 13:57:21

I'm waiting to see what happens after her appeal, hoping that the word " impunity " doesn't arise !

M0nica Mon 11-Mar-19 14:04:36

I can only repeat that I would rather have them back here, living next to me and under the eye of British security than heaven knows where ramping up their terrorism and being more and more cut off from wider society.

I consider SB to be deeply traumatised and mentally ill. I think.with proper medical treatment she could and will be deradicalised and, even after serving a prison sentence, will have ample opportunity to become a useful memeber of our wider society.

As I keep saying, it is not a question of what we want, but what is in our best interest. I think an act of compassion now, allowing her back but insisting she faces criminal prosecution, will do more for both our society and deradicalisation than anything else.