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Misreading the country?

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Jane10 Wed 13-Mar-19 07:01:27

It seems to me from talking to others and just listening in on conversations on buses and in shops etc that there is an overwhelming feeling that Westminster should just get on with it! This isn't a brexit/remainer thread. It's just expressing concern that Westminster is in its own little mixed up bubble and is just ignoring the people they're supposed to represent ie the great British public.

Wobbles Wed 13-Mar-19 16:32:35

Hammond has just called for cross party consensus on the compromise deal!!
Which government post do you want Jane10? smile

jura2 Wed 13-Mar-19 17:20:04

What decisiveness can we have that solves the Irish border Jane10?

Andy, talking about the above- Dominic Grieve explained well today, how our Commitment to the Good Friday agreement- makes leaving with No Deal- ILLEGAL.

jura2 Wed 13-Mar-19 17:33:36

Or as Adonis says very well:

www.facebook.com/LordAndrewAdonis/videos/2227798357537763/

Momof3 Wed 13-Mar-19 17:41:19

The Labour Party are not in power with regards Brexit they don’t have to do anything.

Yvette Cooper at the time of the Brexit vote begged their to be a cross party approach to negotiations and she was ignored.

In the middle of this hell show the Labour Party would be stupid to get involved.

Jane10 Wed 13-Mar-19 17:42:24

We all know you're a remainer jura! By decisiveness I mean exactly that. Come down on one side or another and deal with the consequences thereafter. Most likely problems whatever happens but its better than the current situation.

Momof3 Wed 13-Mar-19 17:47:15

It’s the governments job to do first what’s best for the country then secondly for the constituency.

The local elections are for the area we live in

mcem Wed 13-Mar-19 18:08:23

Or as currently is the case - party first and last, ignoring everything else!

jura2 Wed 13-Mar-19 18:46:49

Indeed- and there are several parties inside parties- and totally disagreeing in the way forward. If we had one Party for a clear formula, and another one clearly in opposition - we would get 'decisiveness' - but as the 2 major parties are totally divided and in opposition to themselves - where next?

varian Wed 13-Mar-19 18:59:29

Theresa May is both vain and deluded. Today she made reference to her croaky voice problem, saying shew had trouble speaking, but she could speak for the country. She cannot. She has absolutely no idea what "people" think or want, or if she has she is lying about it.

She should not be allowed to get away with asserting time and time again that "people want her to deliver brexit". Most British people want brexit stopped.

She should know this because the evidence has been there for a long time, so we must assume she is deliberately lying. Our media, especially the BBC, are letting us all down. She should not be allowed to get away with it.

Anja Wed 13-Mar-19 19:41:51

Theresa May deliberately lying? Never!

Anja Thu 14-Mar-19 07:39:34

After yesterday’s fiasco I think something must give.

Hammond’s very public advocacy of a wholly different Brexit route, delivered with May glowering stony-faced and silent on the benches behind him, showed the shift that was taking place in the government, in the Tory party and in parliament. It seemed to indicate that the national interest matters more than the party interest, because an agreed Brexit deal that passes is a higher priority than May’s deal, which has now been twice defeated. It therefore has to imply that Hammond thinks that May may have to go.

crystaltipps Thu 14-Mar-19 08:16:34

Even the most sycophantic of May fans must realise she is weak and dithering, just at a time when we need inspirational and visionary leadership. Doesn’t seem like we are going to get that anytime soon as she clings on trying to unite her party and to hell with any other problems in the country.

Anniebach Thu 14-Mar-19 08:19:34

Who can give inspirational and visionary leadership?

andycameron69 Thu 14-Mar-19 08:26:40

I am all excited, as we will leave no deal..on wto. as that vote last night means nothing legally.

Just a vote

so in law, no deal is the way we leave. how fabulous I say

MaizieD Thu 14-Mar-19 08:29:47

Just competent leadership would do me fine.

megan123 Thu 14-Mar-19 08:29:53

What a disaster it all is!

andycameron69 Thu 14-Mar-19 08:37:01

great opportunity,
leaving on WTO terms, the best for our beloved UK

grin
party

jura2 Thu 14-Mar-19 08:37:30

Maizie, competent opposition too.

Anja Thu 14-Mar-19 08:38:45

This could all have been avoided when she lost her majority at the last GE and put the good of the nation ahead of party politics.

Too late now I fear unless this incompetent will heed the call from Labour to look for a cross-party solution.

Anja Thu 14-Mar-19 08:40:25

jura the opposition has been calling for a cross-party working group for a long time, but they cannot force this to happen.

Greta8 Thu 14-Mar-19 08:42:37

It's an absolute disaster. Unless we get a deal of some sort we will all be worse off - and that's before the Tories start trashing worker's rights - for those who are lucky enough to still be in work!!!

Anniebach Thu 14-Mar-19 08:44:30

The opposition are divided too , many labour MP’s want a people’s vote, the leader doesn’t . Many labour MP’s want remain the leader wants out.

Anja Thu 14-Mar-19 08:49:21

That doesn’t exclude a cross-party working group on Brexit Annie. I think you will find the Party does not support out, and has put together a feasible set of condition for an acceptable deal.

The fact remains that Labour has called for cross-party cooperation and this has been denied. Thus we find ourselves in this untenable position.

No matter how much you dislike Corbyn he has been open to cooperation where May has not.,

Anniebach Thu 14-Mar-19 08:52:27

Anja I did not say the party wants out, I said the leader wants out.

Urmstongran Thu 14-Mar-19 08:59:50

Such a mess. This cabinet has been put together by someone who bought it at IKEA, but has instructions from B&Q, and tried to buy their Allen keys at Screwfix but failed because they're called hex keys there...