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Misreading the country?

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Jane10 Wed 13-Mar-19 07:01:27

It seems to me from talking to others and just listening in on conversations on buses and in shops etc that there is an overwhelming feeling that Westminster should just get on with it! This isn't a brexit/remainer thread. It's just expressing concern that Westminster is in its own little mixed up bubble and is just ignoring the people they're supposed to represent ie the great British public.

sarahellenwhitney Thu 14-Mar-19 13:40:28

The biggest challenge ever faced by the UK was surviving WW1 and then when eleven years later thrust into WW2.
Europe could do little or in fact anything to assist at the end of these wars as they too were as we in the UK in survival mode
We in the UK are still up and running & anyone who believes by leaving the EU we are doomed then think again.
NO greater challenge has been before us than surviving the aftermath of the two wars in Europe and without those across the channel who needing assistance them selves were not in any position to help the UK
We did it then we will do it again.
Listen up TM what ever you have planned for us.

Greta Thu 14-Mar-19 14:02:04

**NannyC2^: Europe is not what it was, it is falling apart.

The UK is not what it was. Q:Which EU country is in chaos at the moment? A: The country that, thanks to their 'strong and stable' government, was going to deliver an orderly exit.

newnanny Thu 14-Mar-19 14:03:01

Nan Kate I have heard DG will have to answer to his own party on March 29th and may well be deselected as he is not voting in accordance with Tory Manifesto and his constituency wishes. So you might get a different person you can vote for at next GE.

jura2 Thu 14-Mar-19 14:03:23

not another vote for whom and fr what mcem???

Do you think Mrs May should be allowed to brring the same deal again to the House, for the 3rd time?

crystaltipps Thu 14-Mar-19 14:04:31

It comes to something when people are hoping for a return to the world wars. Millions didn’t “survive the challenge “.

NanKate Thu 14-Mar-19 14:08:30

Thank you Newnanny for that hopeful news.

newnanny Thu 14-Mar-19 14:15:00

Varian, do you know anyone who voted to leave because of foreign interference? The only foreign interference I can recall was Obama saying if we voted to leave we would be put at the back of the queue. Personally I voted to leave because I am sick of the astronomical waste of moving from Brussels to Strasbourg every month. All that money is being wasted every month purely for political reasons. It is sickening.

sarahellenwhitney Thu 14-Mar-19 14:15:24

Varian Most people contrary to your belief don't want to remain hence the 2016 verdict to leave over remain.
I ask were there to be a second referendum and again leave outnumbered remain what do you believe the government should do clearly having done 'sweet all' up to date .

Nanniejc1 Thu 14-Mar-19 14:18:04

andycameron,that’s what the Remainers all want ......they want to keep having referendums until they get the result that they want.....it’s laughable but then you have to realise that the Remainers think that the rest of us are all thick,stupid & don’t know what we voted for......I don’t understand why they think they are all so superior ????

newnanny Thu 14-Mar-19 14:22:56

If we had a second referendum there would be huge arguments as to the choices on the ballot paper. I voted out and initially wanted to leave with a deal, bit after May cobbled together a Remainer deal, which is not really Leave at all, I would want to vote to leave with no deal. Many other Leave votes feel the same way now. I saw poll last week stating 44% of voters now want to just leave with no deal. This was a mixture of Leave and Remain voters.

newnanny Thu 14-Mar-19 14:26:51

The main problem we have is that in UK the electorate is majority leave population but we have a Remain parliament and the MP's are not voting as their constituents bid them. We need a GE to vote out candidates who vote against their constituents wishes, whether that be Leave or Remain. They are supposed to represent the electorate of their constituencies not to ignore them.

newnanny Thu 14-Mar-19 14:27:41

If they worked in the private sector many of them would be sacked by now.

newnanny Thu 14-Mar-19 14:30:04

I think we lost more than Brexit last night, we lost democracy. Very sad when I consider that many people in UK lost their lives to preserve freedom and democracy.

Nanniejc1 Thu 14-Mar-19 14:34:20

newnannie ,I think our country will prosper with a No Deal ,may take a couple of years but everything is looking up already.As the man on the radio said May’s Deal is a bit like ‘Hotel California’.......you can ever leave so WTO it is hopefully.

Nanniejc1 Thu 14-Mar-19 14:50:51

‘Hotel California.......you can check out but Never leave ‘

jenni123 Thu 14-Mar-19 15:03:08

no deal is sounding good. T M has had plenty of time to sort things out, I really hope they do not prolong this any longer. JUST GET ON WITH IT. People voted to leave, so lets just do that. What will happen will happen and we will get on with it as we always do.

NannyC2 Thu 14-Mar-19 15:09:08

Greta: Your Q which European country is in most chaos at the moment?
There is no doubt we are in a mess, but my point was why would we want to stay when we are seeing signs of discontent and wanted changes by people in other European countries? To quote...."all empires crumble eventually.'
Centralised power is the wrong way to go!
It doesn't help when 'remainers' are backed by the BBC who more and more show bias, as expressed by so many people.
I would urge you to watch an interesting You Tube by Steve Attridge
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM_GggKpBTY

Kim19 Thu 14-Mar-19 15:10:32

I genuinely believe the way our MPs are voting is totally self interest and not a thing to do with what the people want/need/deserve. If we do have a second referendum I believe many will take to the streets in protest. I would hate that. Quite awful, but hugely understandable. I would certainly vote out next time if they have the temerity to call a second poll. I may have known 'little' (but enough to satisfy my decision making) on the first occasion but I now see the true colours of the EU and parliamentary members. No thanks to both.

lemongrove Thu 14-Mar-19 15:16:50

I think you may well be correct Grandad43 and that the deal will get through the third time.

jura2 Thu 14-Mar-19 15:23:13

newnanny, we lost democracy once we realised the Referendum was won on massive lies, proven fraud and foreign interference and dodgy money, manipulated by Trump and Putin, as well as illegal targetting by Analytica.

HannahLoisLuke Thu 14-Mar-19 15:31:56

I've always thought TM was the wrong person to handle the negotiations.
Those mysogenists in Brussels don't like her and neither do her own party.
While I had had some respect for her at first I now think she's just being bloody minded.
If there was to be a GE I couldn't vote for any party. They're all a disgrace.

MargaretX Thu 14-Mar-19 15:33:07

Merkel will not leave until it is sorted with Brexit. The the UK will be glad she is there to put in a good word for them. Other countries will now think twice before entering into any agreement with the post Brexit UK.

I am keeping a low profile but I have done my panic buying in the form of Mamade which I use to make marmalade which I also give away as small presents. Its too heavy to take on a plane so I now have 6 tins which should last me 4 years.

The UK may have come to decision by then.

It is amazing the posters who still go on about just leaving. The UK has signed thousands of deeds and documents which have now to be anulled.

You wonder what they were thinking when the leavers started on their terrible course which has ruined the country.

lemongrove Thu 14-Mar-19 15:39:09

It wasn’t the people who voted to leave that embarked on ‘a terrible course’ it was MP’s from the Conservative and the Labour side not agreeing on anything, too many factions all wanting their own way, muddying the waters and infighting.

MargaretX Thu 14-Mar-19 15:39:38

to the original poster
Germany survived losing the war far better than GB surviving the peace.
Looking back to this time will get you nowhere.
the UK was doing very well as part of the EU and you have thrown it all away.

Conni7 Thu 14-Mar-19 15:46:09

I don't understand why MPs want to give all their power to Brussels. What are they there for? The salaries perhaps?