Bercow

lemon said that people approving Bercow's ruling are Remainers and so are biased.

The implication being that Leavers, who are such rational, unbiased and well judging folks (with a thorough knowledge of parliamentary procedure honed by years of study) are absolutely right to be screaming 'traitor' at him.

Maryeliza did indeed have it correct that cuts both ways.

Of course, Bercow knows absolutely nothing about Parliamentary procedure. He's only the Speaker of the House of Commons.

I agree with Lemon that Speaker Burcow probably
has unwittingly helped the situation regarding Brexit! It's certainly concentrated minds hopefully to the extent of getting some sort of resolution. Tbh, I agree with the OP. There is something quite unpleasant about Speaker Burcow and his (acid) wit! As for his awful vulgar wife!! the less said the better!! Betty Boothroyd was in a totally different category, commanding respect throughout the H of C . As did Speakers Wetherall and Thomas.

Lemon : 'I would be impressed with all your replies to the OP if I knew that you had all voted to leave the EU in the referendum......but as it is, then not so much!'

clear as the proverbial bell.

I have re-read your post 3 times lemon, just to make sure. There is no other interpretation than Varian's surely?

If there is- then I think you should explain it clearly- as it can only be read one way.

Sadly not varian but don’t worry about it.

I am afraid I understand your predictable posts only too well lemon

I agree Riverwalk

Incidentally, although Bercow won’t be bothered by shouts of ‘traitor’ ( he thrives on controversy) of course it’s wrong.
However, given the late hour regarding Brexit it’s understandle that people feel strongly about it.

'Could have unwittingly helped the situation regarding
Brexit, as it will now concentrate minds'

Indeed Lemon - it also pulls the rug from under the ERG & DUP who've been the tail wagging the dog. This small group of hard Brexiteers have been calling the shots for too long with their will they/won't they support the deal.

You really didn’t understand it then!

Maryeliza did.

Read your own comment again lemon

I agree that his decision has to be respected, the House has no choice in the matter.
He is disliked by many people and has a bad rep with women in the HOC too.
No doubt he knew what the press would say, and some of the population, but doubt that he cares.
varian are you being disingenuous, or really don’t understand my comment? It could well be the latter.

Bercow has been elected to his position and in that is chairing the House of Commons in the way he feels is right and proper. Anyone can have a view on whether his judgments and rulings are correct, but when you ballot to elect someone as a chairperson, you then accept the decisions of that selected person.

The use of the word traitor against Bercow is totally wrong, and is being used all too often in recent times by the gutter press and others to heighten further the divisions in an already very divided nation.

Yes well lemon that cuts both ways. So you think the reaction of the gutter press to his ruling and the BBC encouraging shouts of traitor are absolutely fine then? And that tbe OP was calm and reasonable? And you do know what comments about his height have long been a proxy for don’t you? Apart from just being utterly pathetic.

Shocking how divided the nation has become if someone says she could only be impressed by the comments of those who voted for brexit.

I would be impressed with all your replies to the OP if I knew that you had all voted to leave the EU in the referendum......but as it is, then not so much!

Although, Bercow ( yes, he does have little man syndrome
Cosmosand is a nasty sarcastic person into the bargain,)
Could have unwittingly helped the situation regarding
Brexit, as it will now concentrate minds.

People bother too much about being likable and not enough about doing their job properly IMO. It always comes back and bites them eventually as you can’t please all the people all the time and the gutter press are ever watchful.

He’s not the most likeable character but he definitely did the right thing and he did it well All strength to him

Absolutely agree - his use of language is extremely erudite and elegant.

Well a shrinking violet wouldn't have coped with recent days in the House. I very much admired Betty Boothroyd, but I wonder if she wouldn't have found business in the HoC very challenging recently. Different characters, different times.

I like Bercow, he runs a tight ship, he's also very amusing with some of his throw away lines.

The best Speakers always enjoy the limelight - it’s in the nature of the job and part of what makes them good.

No doubt Bercow enjoys the limelight and his new-found worldwide fame but over the years he's been popular with the backbenchers and does run an unruly House well.

The BBC deliberately chose, several times, to show this clip of the woman shouting traitor whilst the gutter press tore into him with no holds barred- it’s as if Jo Cox’s murder never happened. I’m ashamed thoroughly ashamed of what this country has become.

He wasn't obliged to answer her and she said it after he'd passed her.

I think it's dangerous talk describing someone as a traitor - the tabloids do it often.

I wonder if the woman who called out 'traitor' to Bercow yesterday as he entered the gate was the same one who was inside Parliament last week and shouting the same at Anna Soubry as she was being interviewed on TV.

I find the accusation sinister, no matter which side it comes from.